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RCA conversion project help

Posted by danny on 12/27/10


i have a question for the do it your self people out there. I want to convert all of my machines myself to RCA. This will save me some money in this shit economy. What items do i need to do this, by names ? I have a idea what i need but i want to be sure. Can any RCA jacks work , do i buy a female phono jack and a male phono tip ? Does it have to say phono ? What about colors at radio shack ? they have red , white , yellow and some gold ones so what exact ones do i need or can i use any RCA jacks ? It would help me allot if someone who knows can break this down for me to exact so i can walk in knowing names of the parts to ask for ?



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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by anthony on 12/27/10


danny,

dont fret, this very VERY easy.

to do this you need the following...

rca jack (gold or silver), rca cord, rca to phono adapter, soldering iron, and sterile needle bar.

aside from the needle bar you can get everything at radioshack for under $15. the rca jacks usually come in packs 4. so that amount of money will give you 4 machines worth of conversions.

shoot me an email anthonyjg82@yahoo.com and i can send you some pictures for you too look at while i walk you through it.

again its very easy.


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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by anthony on 12/27/10


hahaha holy shit dude, i just tried going on youtube to find you a video that might help you out. do yourself a favor and dont watch any of them. talk about making things way more ugly, bulky, and complicated than they have to be.

shoot me an email. when i get back to work ill take a few pics and show how to make a nice, easy, sleek connection.

actually watch the videos, and be happy you wont have to make your machine look like it takes the short bus to school. haha.


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Posted by fx3 on 12/27/10


The info anthony has is the best , it is cheaper in the long run if you are going to out fit mutiple machines - One other option if you get supplies from Eikon - they have there RCA conversion set on sale for around $7.50 per machine for the rca , bracket , and lead wire soldered - In addition they have sweet silicone rca cord from power supply to machine for $8.00 . - So like I said Anthony's method is outstanding and will be cheaper - If you only needed a few rca's than Eikon is an option . & let me state that RCA is the best way to connect a tattoo machine IMO - it is a solid power connection and would'nt use a clip cord after switching my machines .


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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by Danny on 12/27/10


Thanks Anthony, why do i need a sterile needle bar ? Do i walk in radio shack and ask for a rca cord, rca jack (silver or gold) and a rca to phono adapter and thats it ? The part that goes on the machine, should it be white,yellow or red or another color ? I seen allot of them and i want to just ask them to find the pieces. I have the power supply cord and the big jack that goes in the supply but i dont have the jack that plug's into the piece on the machine. I need the piece that goes on the machine and the piece that plugs into that machine piece ? . Colors are confusing me i dont want to buy the wrong piece or wrong color for the machine piece. ? thanks everyone im going to do this to over 10 machines so it will be cheaper to do it myself. I want to make sure i can do it with one or 2 first.


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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by Danny on 12/27/10


can you go to radio shack online and tell me the exact names of the pieces i need ? The size wire from the machine piece to the post ?


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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by Danny on 12/27/10


can you go to radio shack online and tell me the exact names of the pieces i need ? The size wire from the machine piece to the post ?


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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by Danny on 12/27/10


can you go to radio shack online and tell me the exact names of the pieces i need ? The size wire from the machine piece to the post ?


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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by RhTa2 on 12/27/10


Hey Anthony!
im also interested converting to rca can you send me pics please!?
h.robert.ta.2@gmail.com
Thanks in advance!


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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by Epicdermis on 12/27/10


Pulse has a pretty painless conversion kit for a few bucks. Not sure if it works on every machine you have, but I think it is pretty universal with some minor tweeking. A few other companies have conversion kits too I believe. Maybe not as DIY as you McGuyvers out there would like it to be, but it kinda renders this thread moot as far as trouble shooting and whatnot. Plug and play type of deal.

RCA is awesome, but the connections wear out a lot more than clip cords do, so just keep that in mind if your intention is saving money. A lot of artists I know switched back due to the connections wearing out mid tattoo or having fluctuations in power when they started to go bad. It has it's pros and cons.


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Posted by inkStained on 12/27/10


Epic is right... I usually use about 4 FKI machines with the built in RCA..at a time. Constant plugging and unplugging wears the RCA jack out easily. The plug would eventually fall out just from the vibration (of course always in the middle of a long single pass line..ha)
However.. I made an awesome wire using a digital coax terminal from monster cable... gold tip and locking RCA. A little pricey ($16 each) but the quality is great. Has slots on the out ring that bites down on your connection. So far has lasted wear and tear for about a year now. No problems. I reccomend it.


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Posted by Danny on 12/27/10


does anyone know what wire i need to buy to connect the machine piece to the rear post ? Im about to go to radio shack in a hour or so ? can any wire work ? please someone that knows there stuff


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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by anthony on 12/27/10


danny,

the piece of needle bar i mentioned is to bent at a 90 degree angle giving you a small L shaped bracket... this gets mounted where the rear binding posts usually goes while the other end is attatched directly to the rca connecter... this lets you angle the rca connecter at a 45 degree angle (or whatever angle you desire) so it never touches your hand and always keeps the cord away from you.

i took a look at the pulse kit... im not going to say its "bad" since these things always boil down to personal preference, but i will say ive always found those brackets and extra inch or so of wiring completely unecessary, and priced way more than what theyre probably worth.

i generally skip all that and just solder directly to the rca connector... they have never ever come loose on me, and if by some chance they did it would literally take 0.000005 secounds to fix and reconnect.

i also have another machine where the rear binding post come from the bottom of the frame and not the side plate which ill take a few pics of as well.

ill get in touch with you guys tomorrow when i get into work, i would have gone today, ive been going stir crazy being in my house all weekend but we got some snow here yesterday and ive been shoveling like crazy.


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Posted by anthony on 12/27/10


heres a few random pics from my facebook of some machines i built... they kinda show you what im talking about.

the two machines in the first pic have had those connected like that for about a year and a half now. the others werent built that long ago, but they'll be just as durable... i was taught how to do this in 2005 by two friends of mine. no ones ever spoke of having any problems with them.

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/anthonygreg/j.jpg

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/anthonygreg/irons-1.jpg

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/anthonygreg/machine.jpg


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Posted by fx on 12/27/10


Do you bend the non-eye let to fit the RCA and attach the eye-let to the frame ? Or is it the other way around meaning use the eye-let for the rca ? thanks, nice simple -- I have drilled out elaborate L-shaped brakets . An OZ of knowledge is worth ton of prevention .


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Posted by anthony on 12/27/10


i personally put the loop to the frame.

i think it was fk irons where i saw the jack coming out of the side? i like how that looks too, but im left handed. so if youre a righty maybe give that kind of setup a whirl too.


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Posted by Danny on 12/28/10


Can you tell me the name of the RCA pieces i need ? I see ones called phono jacks , RCA panel mount, i dont know which one i need. They all look alike also but have different colors inside. The piece that goes on the machine, does it have to be a certain color inside, like the a audio/video/picture for your tv RCA , if you plug the wrong color in the dvd player wont work, is this the same or can any color panel mount be used with any color plug in jack ? There is so many names for them now im lost. Eikon has them and calls them "panel mount RCA jacks" others look the same but a different color inside the tip where you plug clipcord in and those are called "RCA phono jacks" or connectors, all look the same almost but colors are not. Do i need the same color jack as mount jack color ?

Sorry im just getting confused but it seems so easy i just dont want to mess up my machines or buy the wrong pieces. The wire to ? any small wire will work to connect the mount to the rear post ? What wire is good for that ? and for the plug jack clip cord , what wire is good for that ? Thanks for helping Anthony !


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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by anthony on 12/28/10


theyre these ones...

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103234#

the golds are better, but for the price of one gold you can get a bag of 4 silver. it all gets down to preference.

the cords dont matter. red or white will work... they do matter in quality though. i feel like those ones burn out a little faster.

the cords i use are from radioshack as well... theyre a bit thicker than the super thin ones but way less "stiffer"

they also sell a cord thats rca on one end and phono on the other end so you can skip the adapter and plug straight into your power supply, but ive foudn those to be a little bothersome as far as comfort, but a friend i work with loves them, so. its up to you.

the dudes there are generally pretty helpful and probably wont be all that confused when you tell them its all for a tattoo machine. theyve probably helped out a tattooer find what theyre looking for a few times before.

everything you need is there though... its a great way to setup your machines. i never think about my power connection anymore. its like its not even there. no discomfort, no problems. just one less thing to think about really.


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Posted by Danny on 12/28/10


fucking awesome Anthony ! thanks allot for helping me out with this, you are definitely the man to go to on this forum for 100% help with -0 % bullshit. Im going today and i hope it all works out good.

Why dont you like the rca and phono cord at radio shack ? Is there a problem with it not working ? Can the wire from machine rear post to the panel mount piece on the bracket be any wire ? Speaker wire for example or can i cut wire from anything i got laying around? Does It have to be a single thread wire ? Basically, will small cheap wire or any specific wire work like shit or even worse break something ? Im going today for sure so thanks Anthony


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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by Danny on 12/28/10


What wire do i need to connect the panel mount to the post ? A single thread or double thread wire ? Does anyone know something besides anthony here


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RE:RCA conversion project help

Posted by anthony on 12/28/10


danny,

hey no sweat. helpin each other out is what its all about. i cant take credit for this though. like i said before two of my friends with a decade each of experience on me showed me how to do this.

and yes, there are many knowledgeable people on here. a few of them even posted in this thread.

so here we go... this is how i wire my rca. its the not "right" way.. it's just a way. and it works for me.

so like i said before you need to make you "L" bracket from a piece of needle bar (the one in this pic is kinda crude, i jsut did it quickly for demo purposes)

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/anthonygreg/DSC00200.jpg

aside from a nut and a washer this is the only thing that goes where the back binding post used to.

after you fastened it to your rca plug you can loosely set it into place to solder your wiring.

once you get that done youre going to want to melt off the soldering lug that holds the wire for your back coil and capacitor.

these (now exposed) wires are going to be soldered directly on to your positioned rca plug.

at the tip of the panel mount rca jack is a small hole... i generally "hook" the two wires and rest them in this whole so nothing moves around when you go to solder them.

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/anthonygreg/DSC00204.jpg

once you've soldered your new connection you'll want to jut double check and make sure your bracket and rca is in the best poistion for you (i usually go for about a 45 angle) and then give the nut where you rear binder used to be a good tightening.

and then youre done. very simple. very effective.

the final product is a solid connection that never give you discomfort, and stays further away from your work area, cord cover, and clothes.

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/anthonygreg/DSC00198.jpg


also, its worth mentioning that ive never had this kind of connection break loose on me... since the only thing touching the frame is a bent needle bar your rca will barely vibrate compared to being mounted under a spring saddle, or directly to the frame itself. if by some chance it did come loose though its just a matter of putting a hot soldering iron next to it to warm up the exsisting solder.

hope this helps, heres a few more pics for you to reference while youre doing it.

cheers.

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/anthonygreg/DSC00196.jpg

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/anthonygreg/DSC00201.jpg

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/anthonygreg/DSC00194.jpg


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