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Eikon power supply

Posted by orion on 05/24/05


What's up Nick. I just recently got one of the Eikon meters and have been playing
around with it a bunch.

I was wondering what you run your machines around. Mine don't really run around what they suggest: 130htz for a liner and 100-110 shader.

My liners are running 108-110 (with set up) and my shaders are generally running anywhere in between 94-100. Jason from Next Generation said to focus more on duty cycle and follow through rather than speed. He was saying the duty cycle on liners should be around 46-48 and shaders should be around 40-42.

than a friend of mine runs his machines the complete opposite if that!
so I've just been playing around and seeing what feels right and works well but I'm interested in how others use theirs.

Any input would be appreciated. Thanks



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Posted by me on 05/27/05


this is a difficult question for me to answer cuz ive always been more into the artistic aspects of the craft of tattooing rather than the technical aspects like building machines and etc. i have one of those supplies and its helped me a bit, but i still base my tattooing on how my machine sounds and feels, and how the work looks and heals.

so, this is how i do things: i get my machines tuned to a way that feels comfortable to me, that perfoms well with the way i like to work (eric merrill has actually helped me alot with this, he was kinda like, my machine guru at DST. many thanks to him). from there it's all about how the machine acts with the needle in the skin. from my learning and experience i know what a well done, technically sound tattoo should look during and immediately after the process, so if that happens consistently then i don't worry about what the numbers say. the finished art in the skin is the final and ultimate measuring stick, so this has always been what ive focused on.

this is definitely not the right approach for everyone, and it has its limitations like any other way, but so far it's what has worked for me (and of course im always trying to learn and understand more of the technical stuff to offset my art-centric outlook).

perhaps my overall advice is dont get lost in the numbers of it all. try to establish a sound artistic intuition and an overall knowledge of the craft and the process and maybe the technical stuff will get easier.... im not trying to preach though, so i will stop here. this question and issue definitely got me thinking...hence the bit of longwinded rambling. sorry...


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Posted by orion on 05/27/05


Thanks for the reply Nick. I agree with your approach 100%. I'm the same way in the sense that I've always just worked instinctivley and with what feels right.

I've just become more interested recently in the mechanical and technical aspects of the trade so I like to get different opinions from different artists.

I heard Eric is going to be selling his own machine through Pulse, have you seen or used it? With Eric's knowledge of machines and Pulse's quality, that should be a kick ass machine.

And you're right as far as " don't get caughtg uo in the numbers", like Capobianco told me, "I just use my trusty thumb and my ear to tune my machines"

Are you doing Mario's convention in September?


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Posted by me on 05/27/05


-yes eric has a limited edition pulse machine coming out sometime soon.

-thats great advice you got from joe, he and the rest of hope gallery guys have so much amazing tattoo knowledge. i respect the shit outta all three of them.

-no, i will not be at mario barth's convention this year.


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Posted by builder on 11/26/10


i understand what nick is saying but you must understand nick don't tune his machines, he is not into tuning/building machines he just buys them from reputable builders who focus on that. Try speaking to some builders about the issue. Gaston is a nice guy and may give you some advice if you buy a machine but its worth it. like Gaston said " my machines are not tuned by just sound and rubbing my thumb on the armature bar nipple " " i spend quite a few minutes getting the numbers right before my machines are sent out " By the way he sells Fallen King machines ' Allot of artists like for example guy A. say numbers are not important to them but keep in mind that they focus on art and actual tattooing not tuning, so when they say that it just means THEY don't focus on numbers, now this don't mean numbers have no meaning or place in tuning a machine it just means they don't worry about this there builder does. Just like Nicks machine , he don't care for numbers he said but Gaston has said on here how the machine he sent nick was tuned, it was tuned with numbers. This machine ran good and I'm sure nick loves and uses his machines to this day along with many good artists that use them out the box. This shows numbers are more then just a number, like Gaston said " numbers are only numbers if you don't understand what they mean or the physics of a cycle " his machines are used by many out of the box with no need to tweak anything and run smooth and put ink in smooth which helps the artist use it like a pencil. I am also talking about tuning a machine with numbers that show performance , not caring about numbers while tattooing. I advise you to talk to a builder about this because many tattooers know little about specs or have very basic tuning skills and will tell you this themselves, i had allot tell me personally while ordering. This is ok because they leave the specs up to me the builder to worry about so they can focus on the art aspect. Throw your email out and i may be able to help you out with this , just show me proof your in a shop when i email you and i can help. May take me a while but hopefully i can get a break in between tattooing and building.

Now i was reading and seen allot of crying going on about machines and numbers so please keep the trash talk to your selfs im simpley helping the person who wrote the question. I won't bother bickering with anyone with no machine intelligence. I am a machine builder helping a guy out thats all so lets not ruin another thread with the crying baby shit.

I would listen to Jason, the speed your machines are running at are for your hand speed really. If you notice they don't add up to your hand speed then that can be changed easily with good knowledge. The duty cycle and follow through you should focus on, i like them to have close to 50% on all machines but nothing lower then 45 and i get great feedback out the box. Follow through should read 0 at all times, this just means its goinng through a clean cycle smoothly with no skips. Make sure it has the stroke you want and go from there, play with the volts. Having a flat hit on the front spring will help give a very clean follow through. A great artist can get great results with a machine with a 9 FT or a low low DC at any speed ( while changing there normal hand speed ) BUT they can also get great results with a homade tattoo "gun" but that don't mean they do this or want to use that garbage. A machine tuned to run perfect makes the job at hand easier with no problems with ink flowing in like a marker with little to no skin trauma. Now there is no "have to" with numbers it can be a preference, works well for one but not another. I have to agree with Gaston when he said 50% is shown as the perfect cycle, i never go below 45% on any stroke machine but 49-52 is how mine usually come unless a specific set up is requested. My machines are tuned with numbers and i have been told over and over they work perfect out the box with little to no trauma by many tattoo artists, from the well known artists down to the every day shop artist striving in this economy

machine builder & tattoo artist


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RE:Eikon power supply

Posted by orion on 11/27/10


Thanks dude! I waited 5 years for that answer, it was sooo worth it.


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RE:Eikon power supply

Posted by Eriksenn on 11/27/10


Gee, thanks for pulling up that 5 year old thread to reiterate the same "Most pro's don't know how to tune their machines" nonsense you have been throwing out since your arrival a while back...


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RE:Eikon power supply

Posted by builder on 11/27/10


hello orion, your welcome !! i do like to help out with machine specs once in awhile since i build and sell them. I know allot about machines and i am learning more everyday while tattooing almost 24/7 as well so it does keep me busy. Glad I could help you out.

hello eriksenn , i see you have a problem with me helping someone out with there question. I don't see the problem with bumping up the thread when no one has answered the question. Too lazy too scroll past it ? I see that orion was happy to finally get a real answer to his question and thats all that matters. Is this forum not here to help people and answer questions ? I do not care if you have a problem with somebody answering a question in detail. Orion was grateful and thats who matters not you, your opinion means nothing on this thread so keep it to yourself.. Did you not read the thread about keeping the bullshit out, if yes then why are you crying about me answering a question ? I don't mean any disrespect towards any artists when i say what i did but most don't know the machine like they should and they admit this to me when ordering so i am merely just stating a fact thats all. I would pay attention to whats being said because its good information so i don't know what the problem is. Maybe you think its nonsense cause you don't understand. Nothing i say is fucking nonsense i am a professional builder and sell to professionals only, they tell me this themselves. Do you build and sell machines? I think not so don't tell me whats nonsense because your pointless comment was the only nonsense on this thread. Again maybe you know your machine well but then why no answer from you then, just a complaint. I have conversations with allot of well known tattoo artists and the ones who work in small shops so most do tell me they know little about specs so the only nonsense is your waste of space. I don't have much time to be on here like you so when you say the nonsense i been throwing out a while back maybe that was somebody who knows there machine or perhaps another builder, theres more then a couple builders out there pal .If the information sounds alike thats a good thing and it just shows how most builders think alike. Are you the same one who has a problem with old threads being bumped up and answered because thats what this forum is for not crying and complaining. I think Nick would like to see a tattoo artist got the answer he wanted on his forum. He said himself he don't know much about machines so he can't share or answer the machine questions but would love to see people who know the answer share and he even likes to read it and learn more himself. Point is Orion got his answer and i helped make Nicks forum better by answering and sharing instead of bitching and complaining. I feel stupid that i even wasted my time explaining anything to you, when all i did was make the guy who started this thread happy by answering his question in detail.

I'm happy you could finally get a true answer to your question orion, even if it took 5 years. I am glad to see people respect when a builder goes out of his way to help a fellow tattoo artist with his machine question. As you can see assholes don't like to help or answer the question but instead they come to bitch and cry about someone helping another. I Don't sweat the petty baby shit that goes on in this forum because more people respect what i share, only a few like to come and complain under many fake profiles. Those few cry baby's won't stop me from making the professionals happy by getting what they asked for and nothing less. So don't worry i will always look past the bullshit and help the professionals.


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Posted by builder on 11/27/10


hello Orion , i forgot to tell you that if you go to the thread "FK irons" about a little more then half way down and read Gastons comments you can see some good machine talk by him and he is one of the best builders in my opinion. I have allot of respect for Gaston and the way his machines are built and tuned. Any help you need about machines or changing your machines performance just ask and i will gladly help.

machine builder & tattoo artist


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Posted by Eriksenn on 11/27/10


Thanks for your in depth reply... Kind of curious this Orion person has not posted in years, but is instantly chiming in a Thanx , right after your most gracious knowledge throwdown.


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Posted by builder on 11/27/10


you should have read the above comments about the crying baby shit or you did and still wanted to share nothing but complain and cry. What the fuck is so curious about that ? Your amazed that someone is saying thank you to me for answering there question. What the fuck is your problem guy ? Its seems to me that your just a class A asshole looking to be a smart ass. Hey pal why don't you get off the forum and take that annoying little kid shit somewhere else. This forum is not hers for assholes to come and annoy people. Why don't you go answer a question and help someone or go learn something instead of butting in on threads to annoy people and waste space. I think you have to much time on your hands pal, makes me wonder. You think your smarter then me or have better knowledge on how to build machines go ahead and share something, no not you right , your style is to come here and share nothing and shit all over Nicks forum with your stupidity. Your a stalker now huh ? I will leave it at that and not help you shit on another thread by going back and forth like a bunch of bitches. Go ahead and waste more space with your weird comments i wont reply to the negative side of this forum anymore, i will just ignore it and hope they go away. Now that the petty weird shit is over with.

Nick i am sorry for even responding to this , my intention is not to ruin the forum or thread with bickering and it stops here. I wont be playing into the negative side anymore, with the people who do it all but answer questions by sharing information to help another tattoo artists out.


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Posted by hooligan on 11/28/10


" this is my rifle , this is my gun ... one is for killing is for fun ... meh this shit is gettin old my " gun " is bigger than anyones in this virtual world , makes me wish inked nation was still alive cause they had a place to hang out BUT thus it is not so alot of ppl wanna drag this respected commuity to the gutter , sad really !?


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Posted by what on 11/28/10


Dude, I posted Orion totally sarcastically. Thought it was pretty obvious.


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RE:Eikon power supply

Posted by builder on 11/29/10


hello, im not to sure what any of those point-less comments meant.

Do you have a problem with me ? Who is ruining this forum?

I'm getting confused now with all of this crap above me, now some fake names are chiming in to show ignorance, seems weird.

Ericksen do you have a problem with me ? I think you are posting in fake names to act as you are more then one opinion. What is your problem with my answer above. I build machines and have been tattooing over 8 years and i do know what im talking about. Do you have a problem with eikon ? I have only gave good advice and now you attack me, for what ? Do you think what i said is wrong or bad information in some way ? I have not attacked you in anyway but you came here to be a smart-ass towards me and not even answer or help. I would like to know what the problem is if your talking about me.


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Posted by Stephen Griffin on 11/30/10


Dude, no offense, but I'm the one that posted as Orion. I couldn't help myself. I was reading what you wrote, in all it's earnest sincerity, and couldn't help but imagine a guy waiting oh so hopeful by his trusty computer (with the now obsolete operating system) for 5+ years. You gotta admit, there's a little humor there. And I don't think that's really gonna ruin the forum. In all reality, 5 year old threads are pretty obsolete especially considering the content of said thread. Nick could have learned everything ever known about tattoo machines and even build them himself in a 5 year period. My point, really, is that it's not really fair to quote someone 5 years ago and then put it up as if they said it yesterday. And no, I don't have a problem with you and I'm not trying to start shit. This does seem like another in a loooong line of threads that are being bumped from the days of old with the only person benefiting from it being the person showing how little all the rest of the world knows about tattoo machines. Again, no offense to you personally, it just seems to make more sense when things are kept current. Some of the machines and ink I use now weren't even out 5 years ago (mainstream wise). If it makes you feel any better, you really do seem to know what you're talking about with regards to how a tattoo machine works. Sorry if I ruined your day ;)


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Posted by Solomon on 11/30/10


DOUBLEYOU------TEE-----EFF


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Posted by builder on 11/30/10


i only said what gaston said and my advice. Your saying he said it 2 years ago so that don't mean shit ? It was not 5 years but 2 years which is not a long time. Fallen king machines come with a 50% almost all the time to this day, i have a couple, know allot of guys who do have them and i build machines. When he said that he meant it and was tuning machines that way that were awesome so what he does now IF he don't have that same mentality don't make what he said 2 years ago means shit.

Why don't you stalk and annoy Gaston ? why did you not annoy him 2 years ago. It makes it look like 2 years ago you would have said to him that He is wrong. Disd you not write that you do use numbers and know what they mean ? See now your the only one posting under a million names, i kinda knew that since your the only one who has a problem with my information

Now what is the real problem because we can discuse machines and tuning them. You say you look at numbers then when i help someone you have a smart-ass comment about what i said. The fact is Gaston said what he said and I'm sure he would stand behind what he said, he was tuning theat way and machines were perfect so they can still be erfect tuned like that today. You think he don't care about duty cycle or speed, follow through, his machines are not tuned like this ?

i go around saying that sometimes cause i have the same style, and
i get great feedback so i dont get it, i know allot of tattooers that tune similar.

Now lets be straight what is the problem. what did i say that is false ? Now i know its you and only you that has a problem with me, trolling around wasting space trying to degrade me and what i say. My god man do you do anything else besides troll around looking for my posts to annoy me. Who gives a shit if i answer a old post , i do this for the new people who go to that thread to see answers so i like to help cause sometimes there are no answers. What is the problem with that ? Really what is the problem. I don't want to be annoyed or have to bicker when i come here and thats all i see you doing. I want no part in that shit so please leave me alone. If you want to talk machine performance or have any problems with what i say you go ahead and correct me. Don't just throw some bable at me and talk down to me with 5 different profiles. I would like to end it here, if you think what i say about machines is false say something, the fact is i get great feedback from mine and the fact is Gaston tuned with a readout power supply before sending his machines out, wether it be 2 years ago
or whenever the fact is he did and his machines were and are sweet. His machine
will still come to the speed you want and a DC close 50 DC with a zero FT. I bought one about 8 months ago. So when you explain how im wrong and your problem with my machine talk you mine as well write it to Gaston on that post were he said all of that and derade him the same way. I say this because it looks like you think my information is wrong, so please tell me whats i said that is wrong or what the problem is. I hope you can just be a man and dead the bickering threw so many names, or explain to me how my answers are false. I'm sure your just trolling around waiting for this post


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Posted by Eriksenn on 11/30/10


Builder-guy, chill! Everything is cool, and no one has a problem. I originally responded the same as Shadow/Stephen(at the same time no less) under the same pretenses... I felt it was humorous as well, and imagined this Orion character patiently waiting. Shadow is not attacking you, nor am I. Sorry if there was a snicker-dick approach. Cheers


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Posted by stephen griffin on 11/30/10


Yeah, what eriksen said. Correct me if I'm wrong, but those posts say 2005, which to me would be 5 yrs ago. I don't have a problem with your info, but the gist of your post seemed to me to be about nick not knowing how to tune a machine. I do get oh so tired of reading that stuff. Maybe as tired as you get of reading my posts. Oh, and I wasn't "trolling" as you say. The thread was at the top of the heap, which is what happens when a 5 yr old thread gets bumped up. I'm an artist, just like most the people on here. And it takes 2 minutes to reply to any given post. Hell, I'm doin this on my phone while waiting at the bank. So let's not act like you're the only one legitimately here and everyone else is just a loser. Anyways, apologies if I offended you personally, but saying I "never" help anyone and talk only shit is a pretty great exaggeration.


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Posted by builder on 11/30/10


hello eriksenn , i do know it was a 5 yr old thread BUT like i said i answered it cause nobody else gave a straight out good enough answer. I do believe there are other artists on here that are new, when they see the question, they hope they can read a good answer when they go to it and then sometimes get no information. What i do is answer the question if i can the best i can so when they check that thread they are happy to have learned something. When there is no answer they might start a new thread about it cause they have the same question. I'm sure i seen you bitching at someone to search for there answer before asking , when maybe they did and did not get a good enough answer. What is the problem with this ? What is the problem with helping everyone out that has the same question. Why would you waste your time annoying me for helping someone, whether it be a guy from years ago or the people who have the same question.

You , one of you , the same person or not , said for me to go around quoting someone from something they said 5 years ago is wrong. I thought you were talking about Gaston correct me if i am wrong, the stuff HE said was 2 years ago about machines. I believe you made it seem like he don't tune like that anymore like im wrong to quote that since it was 2 years ago. The way he tunes his machine is similar to mine thats all. I have allot of respect for great builders and when i answer a question and you think im wrong you correct me. Then we can talk about it. If your talking about Nick saying he don't know much about machines 5 yrs ago then still he was in a shop then and knew little about machines at that time. I sell machines to guys who tell me they don't know much all the time.. I'm not saying just Nick , I'm saying allot of tattoo artists because i talk to them. I can almost guarantee Nick still focuses on his art and just tattooing and probably has not learned too much more about machines. If he has , great, if not who cares, he don't care he is doing fine ! Why would you get on my case anyway your not Nick. When i said that it was not to make tattoo artists look bad in any way. I'm just telling the truth man from my experience with other tattoo artists.

Ok yes i posted on a old thread, i did this to help the new artist that goes there to see the answer not for the guy 5 years ago. People go to the thread to answer and help the guy or go there looking to see the answer. You 2 or 1 , whatever, your not the only ones on this forum and you don't own this shit . All i see is you following me and leaving smart-ass remarks. How about we just dead the bitch shit and move on. I don't want a problem it just seemed someone else did, seemed someone didn't like my answers. Next time think about the new guy or the person who aint on here 24/7. You act like this is your forum. If someone answers a old post to help that guy or another guy who wants the answer to that same question you should be fine with that. Even if it was answered already i can say my piece if i think i can answer it better. This forum is not a joke or here for amusement.


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Posted by stephen griffin on 11/30/10


Jimeney Christmas! Ok, me and eriksen are not the same guy. Ok dude, answer away. Have a blast. But don't get all hummed when someone makes a joke about somethin that seems ridiculous. I'm sorry I didn't realize there was no horseplay allowed. I will put my pants back on ASAP. A wise and masterful builder are you.


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