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cheyenne hawk

Posted by tattoo rudy on 07/30/10


so im thinking of buying the cheyenne hawk ..... ive heard some good stuff about it and some bad things.....what worries me is having to only buy the needle set up from them....has any one used one of these???



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Posted by Greg on 07/31/10


A couple years ago it seemed a lot of people were doing awesome work with the hawk..but now the hype has kinda blown over..I think the main beef with the hawk is the needle situation..if you search old threads you will find info on the hawk and other coil alternative machines..


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by Gustav on 08/01/10


Have not heard from anyone using it. We looked into it and the set-up costs plus ongoing with tubes etc made it far too expensive at about $ 2,000 Australian per unit. For that sort of money it would have to perform better than anything else on the market and I see no proof anywhere that it does that.


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by DavidEngbaek on 08/09/10


ive been using my hawk for about a year now. i havent used anything else since...its a bit of learning curve, be patient...you'll love it


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by JohnnyChaos on 09/25/10


Seems more places are starting to stock this now. Wonder if it's got something to do with Paul Booth using one now.

I've often fancied one, but only had one place in the UK to buy needle cartridges.. Now there are a couple more I'm thinking of getting one. Does anyone here still use one? and if so what's it like for lining?
I currently use a Stigma Bizarre for most of my work, but still use Paco and Cain coils to line with.


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Posted by nor-caltattoo on 09/25/10


shit i have a hawk ill sell for 250$ it is used ,still in good shape im . just not into the needle price bs,,


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Posted by champ on 09/25/10


i have one and do like it my boss has 3 mine broke and 2 of his have 2 the part you plug clip cord{rca style jack} comes loose resulting in loss of power or no power


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by jimmy Utah on 10/05/10


I've been using one for a 5 months or so. I picked it up after watching Boris rip thru an amazing tattoo, I figured it would be interesting.

The hawk seems to work really well with shading and color packing but the needle groupings are too tight on the liners.So tight that I have a hard time getting a good heal.(faulty capulary action) So I've been doing my line work with a coil machine.

I find it works really fast when I'm doing large pieces, much like any rotary. I would recommend it for anyone who has extra money. But avoid it if this is your only chance of picking up a new set up.


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by Gustav on 10/05/10


From the information received over the last couple of months I get the impression that the cheyenne hawk is a good machine but nobody likes the fact that you must use their needles only and the price of those is too expensive. I don't know why they went that way but the guys I talk to simpy don's want to be dictated to what needles they have to use.

I get comments related to the Stigma indicating that they are having maintenenace and deterioration problems after 6-8 months use. My understanding is that they are a bit flimsy, possibly related to mass production methods. I also hear that they are not manufactured in Germany but that the components are made in Cyprus and there is concern about quality control.

There are a lot of opinions going around but I hear comments from really down to earth artist who simply tell it as they see it wihout bullshit. Interesting to find out when the hype has calmed down a bit and the actual usage reports are coming in.


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by Buddha on 10/05/10


T-Tech make compatible needle cartridges that run around half the price of the originals. I haven't tried them yet but it might be worth checking them out if the cost of cartridges is what's holding you back.

They also have a tube set up that allows you to use their cartridges on a conventional machine which would let you try their cartridges without buying a new set up.

Hope that helps


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by Gustav on 10/05/10


Thanks Buddha.

That is the first time I have heard there are those needles around.

I had a very long conversation with Tony Oliver who just happened to have his business a few minutes from where I live. He told me a lot about the Gen7 and what to look out for in other brands of machines, and I learned a lot.

I also had a detailed email from Byron Dreschler about the Inkjecta and it looks like their maxon motor rotary will be pretty good.

Interesting stuff around and after all this information it will take a little time to get the feedback from the various users, I guess early next year will be a good time.


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by JohnnyChaos on 10/06/10


Hey Gustav. I've been using stigma machines since the Hyper v1. They have had a LOT of problems with the motors fekking up after a few months due to oil getting in and damaging them. I know quite a few other artists who experienced it and I had to send my bizarre back for repairs too.

They have switched motors now to a fully sealed unit and switched from oil to grease in an attempt to stop this happening. I guess I'll find out in a few months if it has.

I did hear that their re-sellers don't offer any warranty on the machines either, like stigma used to when you could order direct. Not sure about that. But it's not very good if it's true.


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Posted by paulie on 10/06/10


the hawk's cartriges seem like a pain the ass, but they are extra-hygenic (with the whole rubber thing that the needle goes behind when the machine is not running and the fact that it is 100% disposable) after watching a colleague use a hawk for a big project, i am convinced it is an excellent machine. i agree with the fact the liner groupings are a bit on the tight side, but briefly running a flame over the tip before use is a great way to loosen up a grouping. i am surprised that nobody came up with cheaper knock off hawk cartriges sooner. this thread is the first i hear of them, but then again i don't use a hawk. i have been using a swiss rotary for a while now, and i like the fact that, unlike the stigmas, there is no grease or oil to use. the bearings do need eventual replacement, but by my calculation i've used mine for 350+ hours so far without a single problem.

by the way... im new here. my name is paulie.


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by paulie on 10/06/10


oh... swiss rotary only for shading and colouring. personally i think the 4mm stroke is a bit much for lining. can't beat coils when it comes to that.


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by Gustav on 10/06/10


Thans JohnnyChaos and Paulie, your feedback is very interesting and fits in with other comments I hear.

I agree that the cartridges have a good side but don't like the idea of being forced into the needle thing without being able to try others.

And it is very nice to know that there are alternative suppliers on the market. Thanks again for the advise! Keep in mind that for us here in Australia it is a pain in the ass not being able to buy stuff like that locally, although there are one or two good suppliers around now.

My son is so busy that he is looking forward to a cancellation so he can catch his breath for a couple of hours. He is totally obsessed with the hygiene in his shop and all in all has no time to fiddle around with machines. I will add that the apprentice gets a lot of stuff ready of course.

After all this very useful feedback I think we will go for the Gen7, ( I can pick one up from Tony in half an hour and if needed and get into him in person if there are problems) and make that our preferred machine, together with a few others of course, like the FK's.


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Posted by cuxidevil on 12/19/10


Hello there!
I´m Mark, a tattoo artist from germany!
I use the Hawk for a while now; it needs a little time, but it is a great machine i think! I´ve read here about the cartridges from T-Tech.
Never heard about them before...
After spending a little time on their homepage, i don´t understand the difference between the needle cartridges and the needle tips there...
What will i need for the hawk???
Hope someone could help me...
Thanks!
Mark


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by lookoutyoko on 12/21/10


hi guys
this is the response of t-tech.


The difference between needle cartridges and needle tips is that needle cartridges contain the needles inside the cartridges and is used with a driver bar. Meanwhile needle tips have no needles inside the tips itâ¬"s just the outside shell, needle tips are designed for artist using conventional needles with our grips.

There are two ways to use our grips with conventional tattoo machine you can either use our needles cartridges or use conventional needles with our needle tips. For use on the Cheyenne Hawk machine only our needle cartridges are compatible. But for use on a traditional machine with our grips both the needle cartridges (with a driver bar) and the needle tips (with traditional needles)

Right now a new website is under construction and the new price will publish with the new website because the old website does not work well.

The needle cartridge new price list:

㬬NEEDLE GROUP
PRICE
PRICE


1PCS
20pcs/box
1203RL
$0.72
$14.40

1205RL
$0.76
$15.20

1207RL
$0.79
$15.80

1208RL
$0.82
$16.40

1209RL
$0.85
$17.00

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1003RL
$0.72
$14.40

1005RL
$0.76
$15.20

1007RL
$0.79
$15.80

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1205RS
$0.76
$15.20

1207RS
$0.79
$15.80

1208RS
$0.82
$16.40

1209RS
$0.85
$17.00

1214RS
$0.89
$17.80

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1205M1
$0.76
$15.20

1207M1
$0.79
$15.80

1209M1
$0.82
$16.40

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1207MR
$0.79
$15.80

1209MR
$0.82
$16.40

1211MR
$0.85
$17.00

1213MR
$0.87
$17.40

1215MR
$0.89
$17.80

Greetings from Spain.


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by Chris from IP: 70.67.15.41 on 03/19/12
Nanaimo, BC Canada - website


Hi guys, I'm Chris, I live and work in Canada. I use a Hawk machine, and love it. I have to admit, it has a bit of a learning curve to it, especially where lining is concerned, I found, but nothing you can't deal with. I use the T-Tech cartridges, and they work great, the price is far superior to any supplier with the OEM tips.
They are an awesome, powerful and silent machine. I have a dragonfly which I love and many coil machines, but the hawk is my favorite.
I'm switching over to the T-Tech grips for my other machines once I run down my supply of disposables.
I think the nicest thing with the hawk is the needle changes. Just twist and pull, then push and turn the new one on, and you're ready to go. Faster than it took to write the procedure out..lol..
If you need to adjust needle length, just twist the grip and voila.. Done.
Hope this helps a bit with your search for info. Oh.. They run cool too, after 5-6 hours solid tattooing, it is barely warm.

Chris. DermagraFX


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RE:cheyenne hawk

Posted by Jerry San Martin from IP: 97.90.0.219 on 06/24/12
South El Monte , Ca United States - website


Hawk machine is awesome. Cheyenne also makes grips for standard rotary and coil machines, which allow you to use a cartridge on a coil. The only issue I have with the hawk carttridge is that it's spring mechanism has more tension than the T-Tech cartridge. So, for a coil machine I prefer T-Tech but for the Hawk thunder I stick to the hawk cartridge. Check out my site for more tattooing info: www.SanMartinTattoo.com


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