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workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by gabesantiago on 12/20/10


are there any artist on here that have tried one of aarons workhorse models? how did they work out for you



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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by anthony on 12/20/10


you know i was JUST wondering that? weird.

i think im gonna get sobas plowhorse kit after christmas though. i like how you get extra springs and stuff with it. i have another frame im gonna put them on. seems like more bang for my buck.

id still like to know about the cain machines though.


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by chris van r on 12/21/10


i have a liner...one of the first models they offered [can't think of the name right now...which reminds me i need to get a hold of them to find out]. it's got the standard size coils and geometry. i used it for many years and am quite pleased with it. i don't use it as much lately because i got a soba mini rusto not too long ago and use that for most of my lining needs...i use the cain for more of a softer, build up kind of machine these days. the ONLY issue i've had with it at all is lately it doesn't want to grip to disposables quite as much as it used to. it's a pain in the ass, but a little bit of tape on the tube end sorts that out.


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by Tony on 12/21/10


I had a roundback liner a couple years ago but i sold it. It was definatly a buildup liner, but you could do 3s and 5s single pass on easy skin.

that doesint exactly answer your question, but thats all i can say.


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by PAWNJOB from IP: 71.194.157.1 on 05/22/11
Tinley Park, IL United States - website


I've had a Avionic Liner. It's super smooth and consistent at around 6 volts. You can hear and feel it just flyin' w/o any effort at really low volts, and very little vibration. Still strong enough to bury a solid line though. A lot different feel than all my other liners. I love it, highly recommended.


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by ghettobeast from IP: 108.20.109.161 on 05/23/11
boston, ma United States - website


i just got the avionic liner from workhorse. only done a few tattoos using 3-5's and i love it


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by Ed from IP: 71.233.53.191 on 06/16/11
Wallingford, CT United States - website


I have two- an avionic liner, and I just bought the avionic shader. Love them both. The website says the liner runs at 150hz at 6v. and the shader 115 at 6v. Obviously this is unloaded.

the liner is the best liner Ive ever laid my hands upon, runs about 121 with 53% duty and no FT. I push 3's to 7's with it, and I use it for all of my outlining from single pass old- school bold n graphic to sculpted lines for detailed/realistic stuff. Ive also used it experimentally for large, non-detailed areas of smooth black n grey with nice results. It ran perfectly right out of the box, and I didn't have to touch the contact screw or tune it at all, ever for the first ten months of daily use. got that liner problem solved for good. just tightened it up a little as it started to slow down a little as the contact screw and spring begin to wear over time as they do on all machines, and its right back to perfect, about 120hz, 55 duty, still no FT. Hard to wipe off the perma-grin when Im using this machine. Its small and light, easy to use, versatile, extremely consistent, backs off just enough to compensate for my occasional heavy-handedness.

The shader- mine runs about 86hz about 49 duty, at 5.5 to 6 v loaded. I just got this machine three days ago so Im still getting to know it, did four tattoos with it, and it runs like a dream, like it was custom designed for me. I would describe it as a good, all-around shader, my new daily driver. It has a medium punch, medium stroke, backs off just enough, but not too much, and I find its best suited for smooth color blending, great for smooth gradation from dark to light, and detailed work that calls for many passes and layering. back off the juice for smooth airbrushy black n greys too. It runs smooth and steady, nice feel, well-balanced, almost no vibration. (and it just looks so f'n sexy.) It will hammer in color solid with a little more power, but I think its best suited for finesse, and I might stick to my color packer, a soba pilot deluxe with 10 wraps, for solid tribal and bold old-school, but I would highly recommend the avionic shader as a daily driver. Cant go wrong with workhorse, and Aaron Cain is top of the line as builders go.

My only gripe, and again, Im still breaking in this machine, but On the shader, the numbers of the box were all over the place at first, which freaked me out a lot. The readout speed fluctuated from 82 to 110, sometimes more, duty between 42 and 53, FT between 1 and 9, loaded with a freshly inked, 7 mag, steel tube. The performance, sound, and feel were beautiful, and it tattoos like a dream, the machine seems to run consistently, but the numbers were all over the place. Wierd, and a little disconcerting because my liner doesnt fluctuate ever. Im gonna break it in a little more and see what happens, because regardless of the readout inconsistencies, the machine runs and tattoos beautifully.

Old school guys will say numbers dont mean shit but I think anyone who builds machines or at least thoroughly understands how to tune them will tell you that numbers tell a lot about the consistency and balance of the machine, its physics, the speed, force, and slight inconsistencies in the contact point, and how to adjust the machine accordingly with advanced precision that you cant get from sound and feel alone. On the other hand, a machine that sounds and feels like perfection (the magic buzz, you know the sound,) is most likely going to run sweetly, even if the numbers are a little off. Ive also built homemade custom machines with perfect duty, speed, voltage, and 0FT that showed perfectly consistent readouts on my power supply but the machine sounded and felt shitty, and went even shittier when the needles hit the skin, so numbers alone are unreliable. Numbers are useful, but sound and feel are the other half. Its all black magic. I bought my Aaron Cains cause I want to spend more time tattooing and less time tinkering with my custom builds like a mad scientist, so I was disappointed/apprehensive that the numbers were inconsistent, (kinda like when your check engine light goes on even though the car is running perfectly) but I am blown away with how well the machine runs, and Im going to stick with it. I called Workhorse for advice to find out if this is normal or what, still waiting to hear back.

I've got a soba pilot, a pilot deluxe, a seth cifierri classic, (all shaders), in addition to the two aaron cains, so I can say with confidence that they are as good as everyone says, and you will not be disappointed with anything from Workhorse or Aaron Cain.


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workhorse aaron cains

Posted by Ed from IP: 71.233.53.191 on 06/20/11
Wallingford, CT United States - website


Just wanted to follow on my last post, cause I may have been unfair in trying to give a review of a machine that I used for only a few hours. Been using the cain avionic shader I mentioned above from workhorse a lot. the numbers are staying consistent now, couple tweaks of the contact to get it just where I like it but not enough to throw off the factory settings and a few more tattoos to give it some love, and its running fine. I think I just had a moment of "WTF?!" when I fired it up for the first time and the numbers were sketchy, but problem solved. Its staying around the same speed and duty. It runs consistently, beautiful B&G, nice color blending, feels like airbrushing. it sounds good, like workhorse machines always do, and it feels right. Backs off just enough without bogging down too much. My new favorite shader.


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by Gustav from IP: 119.225.26.202 on 06/21/11
Melbourne, Victoria Australia - website


The aaron cain machines from workhorse irons are production machines and the set up is different from the ones you buy from aaron direct on ebay. I am talking about the way the machines are set up and not the extra things like mukame and special carving. The difference is very noticeable.


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by Ryan Thompson from IP: 69.142.8.158 on 06/28/11
Little Egg Harbor, NJ United States


Really? I had heard they were basically the same geometry wise. Some differences here and there obviously, but his general setup I had heard was pretty consistent. I have 3 of his production machines, though 2 of them were given extra treatment and all had been retuned by him personally, so I guess I wouldn't know, but from my friends that have both they all seemed to think they ran pretty similar. I know some older frame styles of his have different geometry then his newer stuff though.


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by Gustav from IP: 119.225.26.202 on 06/28/11
Melbourne, Victoria Australia - website


I am not talking about the basic geometry which is the same. It is in the way they are tuned. In our shop we have Joshua Carlton machines and a couple of Aaron Cain machines plus others. The Joshua Carlton machines shaders and colour packers are being replaced gradually with Aaron Cain machines and the special attention the Ebay machines receive vs the Workhorse Irons machies is very noticeable.

I did ask Workhorse Irons if they could custom tune the Soba machines and the response was yes, anytime. Did not ask about the others.


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by Ryan Thompson from IP: 68.46.54.107 on 06/28/11
Little Egg Harbor, NJ United States


Interesting. You could always send one of the workhorse models into Aaron. Takes a little while, but he retunes them up better then new at no charge other than shipping really. I really need to get one of his custom shaders sometime. Be interesting to see if theres a big difference. Yeah, Soba will custom tune his machines for you. I'm psyched I got the last slot for his machine seminar at the Paradise Tattoo Gathering this year.


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by puma from IP: 107.2.171.227 on 08/28/11
East Greenbush, ny United States - website


GREAT machines..Thou it feels like your tattooing with a "Giger"painting..I think its time he came out with some new makes.. as well as the whole workhorse crew..just saying..I love the machines and always looking for some new looking "new model" machines from them.. kinds like how cars change...


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by Crowtep from IP: 74.179.5.221 on 09/13/11
gallatin, Tenn. United States - website


Very happy with mine but when another guy in the shop tryed ordering them they were out of almost everything at Workhourse (as far as machines)


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Recommendations for liner to run 9-14 liner groupings.

Posted by D.Allan RNBSN from IP: 71.82.109.225 on 05/10/12
kawkawlin, MI United States - website


Dear board members. I am looking for recommendations for a nice, hard hitting single pass liner for running bigger groupings. 9s up to 14s. I've tried a Next Gen 1/2 coil and Chris Smith custom Bakelite cut-back. Didn't care for the next gen and while the Chris Smith was an amazing machine, it would not push the bigger groups. Really not into Aluminum machines or rotaries.


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Recommendations for liner to run 9-14 liner groupings.

Posted by D.Allan RNBSN from IP: 71.82.109.225 on 05/10/12
kawkawlin, MI United States - website


Dear board members. I am looking for recommendations for a nice, hard hitting single pass liner for running bigger groupings. 9s up to 14s. I've tried a Next Gen 1/2 coil and Chris Smith custom Bakelite cut-back. Didn't care for the next gen and while the Chris Smith was an amazing machine, it would not push the bigger groups. Really not into Aluminum machines or rotaries.


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RE:workhorse irons aaron cain,

Posted by Epicdermis from IP: 98.235.15.26 on 05/12/12
East Petersburg, PA United States - website


FK Irons and Sunskin make great machines for pushing larger liner groups.


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Posted by ghettobeast from IP: 108.7.6.182 on 06/15/12
boston, ma United States - website


big liners..get a Seth Cifferi


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