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Frozen ink???

Posted by Ala1 on 12/10/10


Hi,

I ordered Eternal set from UK to Finland and it´s been on it´s way for a 2 weeks.because extreme weather conditions.
My real worry is,can the inks freeze on they way over?
I know there is some alcohol in them...but if they should freeze and then melt again then there would´t be any alcohol in them and
would´t be safe anymore???

Thanks.



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RE:Frozen ink???

Posted by Eriksenn on 12/10/10


Bro, frozen ink is trash. Avoid buying ink in the cold months if at all possible! Crappy thing is that most suppliers will not reimburse you for frozen inks, from my understanding... Good luck, and I hope this is not an issue


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RE:Frozen ink???

Posted by phil on 12/10/10


You can tell its been frozen if its lumpy/chunky, and it looks separated and won't mix together again. It looks a lot different than normal


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RE:Frozen ink???

Posted by Gaston - FK Irons on 12/11/10


If they are frozen put them in an ultrasonic washer with water standing up. (make sure to clean and madacide the washer first!.

The ultrasound should break it down again to particles.This is what it works for me with those pigments that I don't use often and they get all stock at the bottom. I've never tried that technique with frozen inks but I am assuming that it should be worth trying it at least if it happens.


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RE:Frozen ink???

Posted by Epicdermis on 12/11/10


In my opinion, the problem with reconstituting frozen inks as opposed to just settled and separated inks via the ultrasonic method is that once the water content forms ice crystals, it can destroy the actual pigment particles themselves, depending on the nature of the pigment. Anything containing water will burst and chemical compounds will be torn apart as the ice expands volume. This could very well change the very chemical make-up of the ink itself, giving it different properties as they relate to health and staying put in the skin.

When in doubt, toss it out. Use it for painting or whatnot, but if there is any doubt as to the viability of it, best not to expose clients to that risk.

I would err on the side of caution, and take it as an expensive lesson not to order inks in the cold season. Although, someone once brought up the notion that during air transportation, the jet's cargo hold often drops below freezing, so in truth no one can ever be truly certain that their inks have not been frozen at some point during transit. Might this be a possible cause of ink reactions in some batches of otherwise reliable formulas by respectable pigment manufacturers perhaps???

I'd be in terested to hear Tommy's input on this issue.


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RE:Frozen ink???

Posted by Ala1 on 12/12/10


Thanks everybody,I sent email to Eternal to see what
they think about it and as soon I get the reply I´ll post it here.
+ I came across to this -



http://tattoosupplies.blogspot.com/2009/01/frozen-tattoo-ink.html


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RE:Frozen ink???

Posted by Ala1 on 12/12/10


Thanks everybody,I sent email to Eternal to see what
they think about it and as soon I get the reply I´ll postid here.
+ I came across to this -



http://tattoosupplies.blogspot.com/2009/01/frozen-tattoo-ink.html


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RE:Frozen ink???

Posted by travelingtom on 12/12/10


frozen ink is a weird issue, i have talked to some people from eternal years ago about frozen ink, and they really didn't have a lot to say about why you shouldn't use it after it was frozen, just that it could cause problems healing or getting in the skin, honestly, i think Gaston had a good idea with the ultra sonic, i do that with inks that have sat for a while without being shook up, and it works awesome. i dont know though, all you can do is give it a try. if it is frozen, this is what i would do, just let it thaw for a day or however long it takes to thaw, add just a little bit of alcohol and put it in the ultra sonic. if it doesnt mix, or it looks like its still seperated, throw it out.


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RE:Frozen ink???

Posted by Mystic on 12/12/10


It's not the pigments themselves that are damaged by freezing, its the Acrylic Copolymer, the plastic component seperates out of the Amonia/Water base that it's dispersed with. Once this happens you can't get it to disperse back, leaving thick sticky lumps of the co-polymer with pigment.


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RE:Frozen ink???

Posted by Ala1 on 12/12/10


I´ve spoken some people in postal services and they where sure it´s
not going to freeze as it´s bottled and in double cardboard box and temperature
is not that low at the moment(-3c to -11c)
I´m not sure who to trust???
Maybe do a spot testing by tattooing 50 little dots on myself...
if they all heal ok then safe....does that makes sense???

Thanks everybody!!!


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RE:Frozen ink???

Posted by Ala1 on 12/14/10


Hi,

Does anyone has idea what temperature it takes to freeze the inks?
As they have alcohol in them and they have different consistency
than a water it should be way below 0c???


Thanks!


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RE:Frozen ink???

Posted by idea on 12/15/10


Bit late , Eikon ships ink overnite only and they put warming packets in the box - food for thought next time ask the supplier about shipping ink in the winter - frozen ink is not good and should be tossed .


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