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machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by D.M on 12/04/10


so a lot of machine builders make they with or without o-ring.
would like to know what pros and negs of o-ring?



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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by Eriksenn on 12/04/10


Depending on your set-up, they may or may not be beneficial. Usually builders that roll the springs do not need the added support an oring provides. An oring essentially keeps the front spring stiffer while reducing vibration, usually on "bent" springs. Machines with orings tend to need more voltage to run well...


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by brian on 12/05/10


after all the pros and cons that everybody knows,with years i start to believe that orings make the machine hit smooth


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by kemp on 12/05/10


There aren't really pros or cons to using an o-ring on your machine. O-rings will make your machine run a little faster because of the little bit of extra tension that they add to the front spring. But with that, you have to use more voltage to push it ( I think a little extra voltage isn't a big deal) Or you can just use a stronger front spring instead of an o-ring. Sometimes, I've just been happier throwing an o-ring on a machine.
If your springs are running just right without one, rock on! If your machine runs great with one, rock on!
Most hardware stores (Ace, Home Depot) have a whole section full of drawers of screws,washers, and whatnots that tattoo suppliers resale for wayyy too much. In that section is a section full of any type of o-ring you'll ever want for a fraction of what you'll pay anywhere else. They make any size and thickness that you could imagine for 10cents a pop (sometimes less)
Experiment with it! It's all fun.


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by andrew on 12/06/10


o-rings are put on to take up the slap between the front spring and the A-bar. wich is, unnoticeable to the naked eye but you can hear it!
It smooths out the sound and,performance It will stiffen the front spring thus making the machine run faster..
If its placed under the front spring and over to the cap screw on top of the A-bar it will mimick extra rear spring tension thus.causing extra voltage to run machine in most cases.
if it is placed under the front spring and A bar it still stiffens the front spring but the rear spring tension mimick is now not as much, taking less voltage to run the machine.but still takes up the slap between the spring and A-bar. You can take up the slap and use less volts by?


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by Andrew on 12/06/10


Anyone?


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by Tony on 12/06/10


^^ rolling your front spring. One thing to keep in mind when rolling your springs that i never hear mentioned is, You have to break them in longer. The arch tends to settle in, more or less depending on how much of the total spring is arched.


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by Tony on 12/06/10


And a machine running on less volts is mostly a matter of spring tension and shiming your coils perfectly... every other variable factors in as well.


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by andrew on 12/09/10


geese rollingit it aint gonna take away the slap if your not gonna use an o ring the rear spring needs to be cut a specific way to take up the slap.any one wanna know?


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by kemp on 12/09/10


I've seen where builders have bent the front of their back springs naturally raising the front spring. I would imagine that it would take out any type of slap off the a bar. But I dunno to be honest :)


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by Tony on 12/09/10


i mis-interpreted what you ment, when you said slap, i thought you were talking about the spring rattleing for some reason.


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by andrew on 12/09/10


You got it! yeah the rear spring needs to be cut and bent in the front to support the front if your not gonna use a o- ring . slap and rattling of the front spring will occur even though you cant see it the front spring hits the a bar without sometime of support. you had most of it no worries just tryin to help out and get people to think a little more .


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by kemp on 12/10/10


Awesome!


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RE:machine with o-ring vs machine without o-ring

Posted by clever thoughts from IP: 24.45.237.97 on 01/01/11
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yeah the o-ring stops the front spring from hitting the A bar which will make your machine skip and not have a clean FT. The machine will never be consistent like this, most of the time. Allot of times you can see the spring hitting the A bar and you will hear a chatter sound. If they are rolled you may not need a o-ring. It will make the front spring stiffer to about the same as going up a gage in thickness.............. hope this helps


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