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FK Machines

Posted by Fusedtattoos on 11/01/10


Just sold a machine and looking to buy another FK machine. I have allot of machines in my collection and want to add 2 more . What are the best FK machines you guys have with spring size front and back , stroke and the numbers they run on your eikon. I want two machines and want to know how they run , hit and the set up and parts on the machine. I need some good reviews and details before I'm sold. looking at some other machines at the same time but want 2 FK for sure. I want different stroke machines. Advice and help picking good machines would be awesome, specially coming from all of you that have experienced and use them daily



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RE:FK Machines

Posted by ?? on 11/01/10


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Subtx on 11/01/10


I have some good one i like , me hook them to my eikon device when i get chance and let you know :) springs size used too good machine i like work well few new un touched run well when arive ann nex gens


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by mike hunt on 11/01/10


Me just buy machine . washing drying the numbers look good ..The springs be new i hope . fk put 39 gauge spring on a machine & it drieds mes clothes great . the cars gap was big like the grand teton and small at same time . my and i tried the other machine it not work . to good it went rat and roll . shakey earth quaker are here on this island . machine gets fresh with the eikon power supplky when at night and the machine is in draw . i no they plug in and tattoo me whan e am not around . the high school ? FK be are always best to me and pther people to work ats shop use every model are best , fk told them how do tou tattoo , easy we are professiondal . the eikon is cool operator makes phone calls to school and fk and eikon , how do computer work? the color of you machine important , green blue pink black machine work best but just as good as all the other models 272hz 71ft , the new 7u0 gague spring be great .


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by on time on 11/01/10


stroke , number 1 2 3 are you ready? spring winter fall . 2 machines coming up sold , what did i justy buys/? a meteor or a meatr to check on eikon , 609hz unloaded your machines with a 79fiver on the ft . what are those numbers mean ? can i call the phone , phone the fk no this is real the original question is fake phoney can you sell me or cam i go where you buy the fk I think it is a websiter i need 2 also a few more , i sold machine , i am in trouble with webster , fakes are all around , sold ! whats did i just buy ? a cps at 300 titght 90fiver on the ft , how maany feet and inches in a meter . power up the machine for this guy one two i am out of power supply working better than i thought when i touch clip cord to my car it runs better .


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by stephen griffin on 11/01/10


From everything I got from talkin to Gaston, all the machines are the same basic geometry, as far as distances between all the major points. The weight varies from light to super light, so if that's what you want I think the pyro x is the lightest. As far as the tuning, just tell Gaston the way you want it to work and the right springs, stroke and numbers will be on it when it shows up.


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by pittore on 11/01/10


Not again please... This site is hopeless...


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Epicdermis on 11/01/10


That's very elitist of you to say pittore. Ha ha ha.

Seriously though, this is the kind of shit I was getting my panties all in a bunch about these past few weeks. A complete lack of sense is permeating this place lately. Turds in the punchbowl.

Numbers shmumbers. If you're buying based on numbers and technical specs alone, you're going to end up with a lot of expensive paperweights. FKs are great machines. A lot of excellent artists swear by them. Are they right for you? Maybe, maybe not. Numbers dont really mean shit until you get the thing in your hand and running. Tattooing has a lot more to do with intuitive feel than technical readouts. It's about making the instrument an extension of yourself. Find what FEELS right for your own unique style and technique, and then look at the numbers to determine what YOUR individual home address is. Spring gauges, cps, duty cycles, and volts are only important to know when you FEEL how that particular machine should run for YOU. You cant teach feeling. It just comes with experience, like knowing where a lady's sweet spot is. Their all a little different, and take some getting used to.

You could take all the parts from a badass FK machine that runs totally awesome, and put them on an equally awesome Cain or Infinite frame, and they might very well run like shit using the same numbers.

Just my take. Buy two machines from Gaston, and play around with them until you like how they feel. Then look at the digital readout.


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Stephen Griffin on 11/01/10


Seriously, I didn't even read the other posts before I put mine up. Now I wish I hadn't written anything. Come on, man. Whoever put those posts up, get a life dude. Is it really that much fun to type random gibberish?


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Mike hunt the pussy on 11/01/10


You mike hunt -you wrote twice talking crap out ya mouth bitch- i see this topic and want machine to from FK and this crap talk makes me think they suck - i will have to get a pacco r now cause i heard they good, i hate people that talk stupid on here makes ya think what kind of life they got to be such a looser to waste time with crap peeps will stop reading after 1st sentence. Fag i hope FK track you down and bash ya faace pussy.some peeps hear ur a gay fag and inbreed fuck ya mom space man fuck ya mom to waste of life - fuck ur dad while he fuck ur mom fag pussy wanna be artstss fag pussy . Fucking scratchers on here talking crap and dont know what the machine are


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Mike hunt the pussy on 11/01/10


You mike hunt -you wrote twice talking crap out ya mouth bitch- i see this topic and want machine to from FK and this crap talk makes me think they suck - i will have to get a pacco r now cause i heard they good, i hate people that talk stupid on here makes ya think what kind of life they got to be such a looser to waste time with crap peeps will stop reading after 1st sentence. Fag i hope FK track you down and bash ya faace pussy.some peeps hear ur a gay fag and inbreed fuck ya mom space man fuck ya mom to waste of life - fuck ur dad while he fuck ur mom fag pussy wanna be artstss fag pussy . Fucking scratchers on here talking crap and dont know what the machine are


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Mike on 11/01/10


Hey i not see how many morons are on this site !! Fucking little kids go to
sleep so the men can talk machines. From what i hear from you kids is they suck , don't think FK looking to good now. Feel feel sound sound, are you people 80 year old artists cause a machine can run like pure SHIT and sound GREAT so # mean more then sound stupid kid scratcher go get apprenticship from this age to learn speed of the machine. You all tattoo with 280 cps and do the same motions with 70 cps i hope so cuz thats what you all talking about if numbs mean
nothing. Learn the machine instead of buying them tuned like know nothings. A machine from china can feel good and sound good but no you people buy china shit and get off here. This why good builders sell same concictent tune and do so with meter , FK himself said to buy a eikon to help learn machine and tune so all you haters suck ya dad cock while i rape you sisters


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Subtx on 11/01/10


Hello friend i have checked for you my machine run 115 hz 37 duty o ft

one have 120hz 44% cycle 1ft & i tell you more use latter i busy be back soon more details but good machines dont trust the kidie kuddles on
here they have no machines by fk


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Epicdermis on 11/01/10


Just to clear up the nonsense and bullshit that this question has quickly devolved into, FK IRONS ARE GREAT MACHINES!!!!

The assholes with idiotic opinions on here are not representational of FK Irons machines, and FK should not have to suffer the loss of business because a few twits talking out of their asses.

FK machines are well worth looking into. That being said, the numbers are going to be different for most people. My style, approach, and technique are different than yours, I will most likely run my machines at different settings than you might. Same machines, different artists, different setting preferences. Numbers certainly do have their place, but FEELING( not sound) is more important than precise technical adherence to numerical values. Find the sweet spot for each machine through experienced intuition, and then let the digital readout give it a numerical value.

And for the love of all things good and right, please stop calling each other fags, or gay. Some of the best artists in the world, and people in general for that matter, are gay. It's nothing to be ashamed of at all, nor to be used as derogatory slander on people.
If someone is a fucking reject, then call them a fucking reject. Call them a waste of air, a moronic fucktard piece of shit.....whatever. But when you call a dipshit assclown gay, you are doing a great disservice to all the truly kickass gay people who actually contribute to society and make this world better.


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by No on 11/01/10


Look see now this is why you dontt need a apprenticeship. All fags in shops dont know what number are. How many pokes means nothing to them just sound and feel . You can learn sound feel by yourself so why apprentice then ? No point to it cause all they do is buy tune machine no skill of how it runs and how to change it to run how you like. Feel is volts start low go up and done see learn at home fuck waste $$$$$$$ on no learning of how it works . Eikon has done tests and they know how to set a machine unlike hacks in shops eikon shit on them and showed right way to tune with facts and science of the machine. Feel is good but all feel and your machine work like shit come on they feel and run good out china box so learn by yourself kiddioes) waste no time in shop cause lack of learning is in there as you see from the talk on here. Sorry Fallen king i sorry they make peple not want to buy your machines. Fucking sctatchers know more about machines then hacks in most shops so go get eikon magazines and learn right hack in shop then you know how to tune a machine to how you like. We like machine to work for us not us work for it , feel sound hahahahahahhahahahaha fake scratchers


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Fusedtattoos on 11/01/10


Thank you stephen griffen for being a man and mature i will call or email him and talk i just like to know how they run with springs and numbers cause numbers mean something. If the assholes on here talking bable bibs to themselves ever learned about a machine they would know numbers mean .FK said he uses a eikon power supply to tune his machines so i wanted to get to know what machines run like and whats best. Griffen you are the only one that commented that is not a kitchen wizard so i thank you for that.

To the wizards go fuck your self this site is not for you. Show your real names so you can be shot and hands broke. Bunch of sad ass mother fuckers hating on FK machines. You all dont like the machines cause you cant buy them to scratch at home. Dont worry guy who wrote and FK i will still buy them i am not fooled by kitchen wizards who dont know what #s on a meter mean. My apprentice was taught for me to learn how to tune any machine how i like, more knowledge i got then old arrtists that dont know how a machine runs and just go by feel. Can not feel how fast a machine goes. Stroke dont make it fast the front spring gage does. Eikon tells you how the machine runs end of story looks like some need another apprenticeship or need the 1st . Peace , i just got a rollins to i was told good info on them with #s so i like and just bought 2


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Real machine information on 11/01/10


Ok felloooows , now eikon knows more from there tests then all the old tattoo artists put together and that my buddy old pal is a sad feature.

Speed (cps) is all in the front spring. The thickness controlls speed @ the thicker the spring the faster it will go. The thinner the slower it will go. This controlls the speed and how many needle pokes per second@ this is how you tune for your hand speed of tattooing@ if your slow moving and use to a machine at 80cps loaded a machine tuned to 150cps will tear up the skin bad cause your moving slow and allot of needle pokes are going in the skin. This will cause trauma. Speed and cps is facts of science and tests done that proof this just so the men who dont know shit about a machine now know. Maybe you all dont like it getting easy to tune and the secrets out. Eikons know more about a machine then any old school tattooer that has a scratcher way to tune.

Duty cycle is also on the Eikon and is important as well cause this is all old school tattoo artists really could know how to set , from the ghost image but could not get it to be exact besides close to 50% CLOSE. They never could know speed just a 50% thats why some say turn contact to a short stroke for fast machine buy that does not make a true change in speed, this shows a lack of knowledge from old school tattoo artists. Cycle tells how long the needle is out the tip or up in in or in the skin or out of it and shows a even up and down motion. 45 to 50 would be best but some use 37to 39 with good results. There is more but i cant write. NOW duty cycle is back spring tension , the flex in the front spring makes the duty, little
flex = low duty cycle , big flex = high cycle, so you can keep your stroke and contact the same and if duty is not where you want it , lets say its to low just add some more of a bend in the back spring or change for thicker back spring and that will raise duty, if its to high just take tension off the back spring or change to thinner back spring. Duty cycle is controlled by the back spring size or tension. FACT , get your self a eikon and you can learn and test your your machine by tweaking things to see what happens cause a guess is not on point and is just that a guess.


FT is the consistentcy of the machine and shows a clean motion with front spring and contact screw while it hits and flexes and un flexes. This must be smooth and at 0 for a smooth machine.

Volts to me are not that importrant cause a
machine can hit the same at 2 different volts. You can have 8 volts and when it just taps coils it will hit light and the same at 10 then you raise it up by the feel of the hit from there

this is a little info from how a machine really works. All facts , tests, and science of the machine. Old artists use to think they knew something but all there machines did nothing the same. They just make it sound smooth and feel it out and thats that no knowledge of speed but they thought they knew what speed was and were wrong. This is the way a machine runs and how to change it and its all proovin as science threw many tests . FACT

Ok now for you tattoo herbs that dont know how to tune but in a shop you are , LEARN , i dont need to spend 500 on a machine cause i know how to change a
machine to how i want . I then feel and the sound is always good if its set up right . So i have a good feel a good sound AND i have the #'s i want for my stule for me. If you dont tune like a pro builder then you work for your machine , the machine dont adapt to you unless you know how to tune it and have a Ekion or some sort of meter to show what your machine is doing. All science here and facts and science is ALL. Anyone who sayd numbers are nothing cant tune and is mad at the world. If its all about feel everyone would have the same tune. And there would be no apprenticeships cause anyine can make a machine sound and feel right , come on even china can do that and thats why you all need knowledge and facts about tuning. I think if you dont know what your machine is doing you need a new apprenticeship fast from a better more knowledgeable tattoo artist.

Buy FK machines man who started the topic dont listen to the dumb fuvks on here they dont know what tuning is or what a machine does and why it does. They know nothing and work to put ink in not the machine working for them. All facts go get eikons magazines and all other info when you buy fron them they will help you. Dont listen to the last 5 comments from basement tattoo artists.

All about feel and sound then no one would need a apprenticeship, tuning is easy but most pros cant tune for shit , prime example the people who wrote here


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Kim b on 11/01/10


WOW i can not believe how many people spend money on million dollar machine's cause they can't tune. I tattoo 10 people a day at my shop and some times more or a little less it all depends.i use good machine and some FK machines and when they come out of tune i don't buy one again or send it in for tunning cause i know a machine well and have a eikon so to all that buy a million machines learn how to tune first so tell your shop you have to stop cause you don't know what a machine really does yet. Fucking unbelievable i hope you all are scratchers besides a select few cause what a lack of sense. FK must be laughing right now at you all


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by Epicdermis on 11/01/10


Not to perpetuate an argument here, but I never said numbers dont matter, and I'm neither a scratcher nor a hack.
I just said that numbers ALONE are no way to definitively shop for a machine. You have to know how those numbers translate into the feel of the machine respective to your own style. Numbers in and of themselves wont get you home, but feeling can. You have to know how each machine works best for you before the numbers will make any real sense. Obviously things like spring gauge and tension are important to know going into it, but any decent artist can pick up a well made machine and find the sweet spot on it with little more than some minor tuning and tweeking, completely without digital number readouts. I mean, people have been doing this shit for decades before Eikon ever came on the scene and made things easier with digital readouts.

Dude, I totally applaud your breakdown on things, and the precision science that is found in knowing the numbers. I get that, truly, and it is important to know and understand all of that stuff, but to really fully understand what those numbers mean to the individual artist, said artist has to be able to have a feel for what is right. Even the builders that create these machines are tuning the prototypes intuitively at first, tweeking them by feel as they test out new frame styles, new components, then match the the numerical equation on the readouts to lock in the magic numbers for the rest of the batch. Hell, even you are. You know what works well for you, and you could do it without numbers in front of you if you had to. It's all an equation man, frame geometry+coils+springs+capacitor size.....etc. All of these components have very specific( and often changing) numerical values. But they need to work in harmony together, and no two different machines are alike, and that harmony can be different for each artist. Change one variable, frame geometry for example, and you change the entire equation of the subtle physics of how the other variables work together, and how the machine operates. If you intuitively know your shit though, you can hone in by feel alone to what works best for you, and then use the numbers to mark the best tuning point for that particular machine. The technical readout just gives us a numerical value to what we already intuitively know is right or wrong. And intuition comes only with experience.

That doesnt mean that an apprenticeship is unnecessary. There is far, far more to tattooing than machine theory, and even learning to understand how a machine feels in relation to how it operates is a lot easier with guided instruction and oversight. There is no excuse for using any more trial and error than what is absolutely necessary with anything like this that involves peoples' health and well being. And with an apprenticeship, even the trial and error aspects are supervised and done in a safe environment, where mistakes can be prevented, minimized, and fixed, with the lowest risk of harm to everyone involved.


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by stephen griffin on 11/01/10


Holy shit this is outta hand. Why are people so angry about other peoples methods? This is exactly why I didn't post any #s, besides I use a critical cx2 and the #s wouldn't be the same. Gaston knows his shit, but its not about buying an expensive machine cause you dont know how to tune one! The geometry on his machines is perfect, he doesn't cut corners, and yes, if you have a machine question that you can't find an answer to in your back issues of machinegun he can answer it. Obviously anyone calling Epicdermis a scratcher is new here, and should check themselves. People, just because someone doesn't spew out every bit of fact they've ever read doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about. I've read Nick and Guy talk about not being too into the #s. Of course they matter, but the flip side of what was said earlier is true, you can have perfect #s and still have a badly running machine. It all matters, but at the end of the day, if you do order an FK you're gonna be stoked and that's really all that matters.


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RE:FK Machines

Posted by brian on 11/01/10


fk machines is a good ones,but i think is very expensive.
about eikon ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hum is good in the past ,now they sell everything,lost some caracter
they lost her soul when bill baker go out,he is the master behind the stage
machine gun is good for a first understanding,but dont teach you how to tune a machine ,there is mutch more
the way i see things is this way:

-people try to tune machines before learn how to tattoo properly,if you dont know how to tattoo you can read the magazines you want,buy all the best machines in the market and still miss something.

its like people that start to tattoo and buy pre made needles before learn to solder her own


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