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Best Shader?

Posted by ottawa on 10/20/06


Whats everyones favorite color blending shader? And how is it set up? Thaaaaaaaaanks!



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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by ah-dumb on 10/20/06


ive gotta say soba's pilot shader is a doozy. Long stroke, hardly any pressure onto the front spring from the contact point, when you turn down the power is still there to get it in but it is sooo soft and slow for fades and blending, and when you turn it up it goes in like a solid color machine but is still a slow wood-pecker sounding bad ass.


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by Joe on 10/21/06


Damn, that's a tough one to call because I love everything in my pistol cases. I would have to say my Aaron Cain hook shader because you can barely hear the bastard humming on 8 volts. When you can run a machine onto a wet napkin and not tear it in the least bit, It's not going to do very much damage to the clients skin. That's how I classify a tattoo machine as a nice painterly style color blending machine.


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by ah-dumb on 10/23/06


oooo i like that...you are one of the only other dawgs on this site to praise machines like that....besides myself. BOG DOWN BROTHA!


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by Steve Martin on 10/24/06


It is very hard to say.. everyone tattoos different so different machines will work better for different people. my personal favorite though are my joshua carlton machines.... my pulse gatsby and pandora,, and i just got a couple bad ass shaders from jason haney at bad brass.. all great machines... all run a little different..to each his own though


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by Joe on 10/25/06


Yeah Adam, I like the bogged down method. I know when it's working well for me by the very faint skin scratching sound and the tiny vibrations I pick up in my stretching hand. It takes some time to fine tune your machines and work consistently with this method, but I love the fast heal time, smooth blends, and solid colors this method produces. It's also perfect for the lightest blackwash you can mix.


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by ah-dumb on 10/25/06


i at first thought you said "backwash"....but i also agree that this is the best set-up and technique for me!


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by Joe on 10/25/06


Backwash tastes good too but only if it's someone elses. Hardy Har Har.


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by joe p on 10/26/06


hey steve martin, how much are those josh carlton machines? Do they work well for 7-13mags or just huge ones? thanks-joe p


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by Steve Martin on 10/27/06


You would have to ask him for his prices.. he keeps getting more involved and now he is handcarving them... they are sick... and yes they work amazing for 7-13's.. even 5's if ya wish ...and they pack all the power needed to run the larger magnums. i have had nothing but good luck with these things.. they are simply put....amazing!!!


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by joe p on 10/28/06


I just ordered a machine from carlton and his book. I can't wait to check it out. He's a really nice guy too. The sharpz mk3/steve turner rebuild i have runs great with big mags too. I had it built specifically for big mag blk and grey work. The bigger the needle i use, the better it runs. I highly recomend turner for rebuilds and his custom machines are awsome.


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by kodacolt on 10/31/06


i would have to say my fav. machines are my martini's (from Italy) and my DJ Minor machines. If you guys haven't checked these out yet you need to. I don't know if DJ has any of his machines left but you can always ask. THey ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by tubby on 11/04/06


nothing beats aaron cains machines. nothing. i picked up a jonesy shader from him a few months ago and have since picked up a portal liner and one of soba's pilot frames he carved up. i will never own a machine built by anyone other than him or soba. the jonesy has a very, very long stroke, is slow as shit, and has that punch ive yet to see out of any other machine, short of a ciferri. i retuned both the jonesy and the pilot he carved up to lengthen the stroke a bit more. i love a long stroke. if youre into numbers the jones pokes along at 89 Hz with a duty of 50% and zero follow through at 5 volts. with the punch to pack color like a sharpie too. the pilot numbers are almost exactly the same too, but is a wee bit slower. i love a long slow punch whether its for packing color or soft shading. ive been using the jones for packing color and the pilot frame for black and grey. i know a lot of people like a little faster running machine for shading, but i think the slower the better. nothing beats building your greywash from light to dark while still having a smooth quick heal. as for the liner, its SINGS along at 152 Hz with a 50% duty cycle and zero follow through at 5 volts. yes, 5 volts. speeeeeeed. i know numbers are just numbers, but when i finally hooked these machines up to a meter i was amazed.


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by ah-dumb (adam) on 11/04/06


Hey Tubby, You sound like an intelligent person...Where do you poke around at? We're here in DesMoines,Ia. @ 5PointStudios and we feel the same as you do! I also own a Soba Pilot and Budha here owns two Aaron Cains, one being the jonesy. He's used them for the last 4 years and still loves them. I just got the Pilot about 6 months ago and I use it everyday. If you live nearby it would be fun to discuss these topics further.
5pointbody.com
5pointstudios@gmail.com
Peace.


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by tubby on 11/05/06


i dont know about intelligent, it seems more like i was dropped on my head enought to make me special but not retarded. anywhowho ill shoot you an email. its always nice to talk with like-minded artists. im in milwaukee. aaron cains machines are amazing, even if youre blind and pay no atttention to aesthetics. check out my site and shoot me an email man. www.lunchboxink.com


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by tobias on 11/06/06


If your in Milwalkee, you should pick up one of Troy Garris' machines. They are the best machines I've ever used and I've got , Next Gen's a Pandora, Gatsby, Solution Executive, Pilot , Mini Rusto etc.... check him out man, he knows what's up: www.midwestirons.com


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by tubby on 11/09/06


i met him a few weeks ago at a convention. i have my eyes on this walker liner with shorty coils.........zippy little critter it was.


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by godoy on 11/12/06


Anyone who knows machines can turn any machine into the machine they want. A machine has to be assembled and tuned so before they come out of production, ready to sell, they are set up by someone who may or may not know about proper machine function, most likely, a NON tattoo artist who doesn't understand what we do or what we need in a machine. We have even seen machines set up by "reputable" artists / manufacturers, which ran like shit...So the truth is, there is no "best" shader or liner. It's how you tune and assemble that particular machine....taking spring gauges into consideration, capacitors, machine specs... "Tattoo Machines and their Secrets" is a book we wrote to help educate artists. It is the most complete book out there, NOBODY has written anything like it. It completely demystifies and clarifies the tattoo machine's function--materials, frame specs, spring tension, spring gauges, coils, wire, wire gauges, core materials, magnetic field, capacitors and capacitance and way more...it will be available on CD in the next few weeks. To order, go to www.tattoolz.com There is an interview on the importance of this knowledge, and contact info as well...good luck.


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by warchild on 11/12/06


I just got a new shader by Dan Dringenberg & co. If you have never checked these out all I can say is fireal.....DO IT. Ive got more than a few shaders by other builders and I am happy with all of them but let me tell ya.....I am blown away by the precision, the dynamics and geometry....as well as felixibility of Dans machines.... while still remaining solid. Not to mention he makes the most unbelievable one-piece tubes that have a well that is super large and he is a freakin great guy.

So if you havent checked this out....check it out and let me know what ya think.

just tryin to share the luv.

http://dringenbergtattoo.com


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by warchild on 11/12/06


I dont agree with you Odoy....(not that it matters). It is my experience that you can take time to put great springs, capacitor, coils, armature bar etc on any machine and then tune it up and it will run decent but if the geometry of a machine is not optimal then no matter what you do....it is never going to be a consistent, solid running machine that you can depend on.

In my opinion Geometry although not everything, it is the foundation of a good machine or the lack of foundation in a bad one.

You can out crappy parts on a machine with good geometry and it can run good but no matter how many great parts you put on a machine with Bad geometry, it is always going to be a problem machine that will not work to its or your optimal performance level.

thats just what ive come to believe.


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RE:Best Shader?

Posted by ah-dumb on 11/13/06


I cant believe you just told a Godoy you didnt agree with him. Anyways, Art or Steve, whichever you are, i respect you guys immensely and have read your book(i bought it 5 months ago or so) and have to say it is a wealth of info and has helped me incredibly. Although, i have to say that your next step would be to write a book about how to build tattoo machines and then sell it to only me..i would read it a few times and then burn it. I swear.
with much luv and respect(and sarcasm in the last statement)
Adam
5pointbody.com


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