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seth machines

Posted by jessie on 10/01/08


Hi,
I am new at this forum. I have started to tattoo two months ago. I took a tattoo course and they offered me two tattoo machines. These machines are crap, you know machines that comes with the beginners kits.
I went to a tattoo convention and I tried to buy good machines there. I was glad because I found some machines from Seth Ciferri, one of the best tattoo machines manufacturers.
Before buying I tried them and I was surprised because they run at 87 hz, without needle - So I thought that the machine was not working properly.. I have tried another one and for my surprise the machine was running at the same speed.
I came home without buying the machine because I am very confused, since you Nick said that you work with 110-115 hz loaded. I also read that Marcos said that Guy works at the same speed.
I know that everybody have a difference speed hand but it seems that 30-40 hz is a big difference.
What should I do - I feel very confused about this... The difference in speed is considerable 87/110. Anyone can please give a help on this issue???? Thanks



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Posted by jess on 10/01/08


since you have only been tattooing for two months, i would not worry so much about hz . find some decent machines wether it be seth ciferri ,pulse ,next generation, fki. you shouldnt be worrying about what nick or guy are using. because they are at a different level of tattooing than you are at now. with more experience you will find what works for you. you have enough to worry about starting out ,thinking about all the technical aspects will make you loose your mind. get your hands on any quality machines and with time you will find a comfortable working speed. then worry about more technical things.


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Posted by Teco on 10/01/08


Jessie the best way to get a faster machine is call Seth or other guy that build nice machines and ask them to build one that runs at 100 or 110hz loaded, but if it will work for you that fast this is another case.
I hope this helps
Teco


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Posted by Fallen King Irons on 10/05/08


W00t!!! a 2 months course?
I think you should put the gun down for now, I don't think anyone with a two months course has anything to do with a tattoo machine.

Seths machines are great machines and I doubt the machine has a problem. See for a long term apprenticeship as all this questions will be address during your learning course.

No trying to sound like a rooster but it boils my blood every time I hear from people that tattoo human skin without the proper training.


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Posted by travelingtom on 10/05/08


i agree 100% with fk. you can't learn from the internet. we are'nt trying to be assholes, but you can't learn all about the proper way to sterilize, or stop cross contamination, or anything. GET AN APPRENTICESHIP. please, for the health of the people that let you tattoo them.


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Posted by steve on 10/06/08


if you can get someone that teatch you is better choise.
when you take the course?
you tattoo someone in the course?
they talk about contamination?

make a good tattoo is not for everyone,is not easy put ink at a good deep.
seth make good machines,the speed you talk is really slow,but good for someone that start.
when you learn to make good tattoos and work with confidence than you can try a faster one like nick or guy.
but for now seth is more apropriate than faster machines

good luck


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RE:seth machines

Posted by chris murder on 11/01/08


ill trade you some faster ones lol serios id love to have a pair of them the mojo is in the hands not the machine always remember a poor craftsmen blames his tools you wanna do a deal let me know i like slower machines for certain things


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RE:seth machines

Posted by worker1975 on 08/12/10


will it sound like you got a machine set up for a color and shading at low speeds will i just read this sorry for being to late but starting out would be good to have a slower machine plus with if you have slow hand moved but when time go's you will get better at it and knowing your needle depth . i run my machine's for lining loaded at 110to 115 hz but some time i have run them over 130 to 140 and for color about 80 to 110 hz and about 110 to 120 for shading it also depending on the needled grouping and the ink and pigment's but also you will find the speed whats work for you .and when you know when it going in solid and heeling up right with out damage to the skin.you don't have to be the best artist skilled but knowing to put it in right .


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Posted by worker1975 on 08/12/10


will also if you are under "APPRENTICESHIP" the guy you are learning from should show you how to build a machine and they are thing you can do with the seth ciferri machine to get it run fast for you if you are ready by changing out the spring put a harder front spring all so he should show you how to put the right throw and the right stroke and also try closing the point gap to the contact by a a few turns and capacitor changing out and coils . if you are trying to save money but you can call seth to build you one for you likings but its best to learn to build a machine and have some knowledge how thing work it could save you money in the long run .seth is a great machine builder but some time he has told people to build it your self .and if the guy is give you that apprenticeship should have this knowledge for you .and for you not have to learn it from the internet hand on by someone is showing you the right way.so i hope this could help you and others who reading about this.


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Posted by anthony on 08/12/10


right now im typing normally, BUT NOW IM TYPING IN CAPS LOCK. now im typing normal again. something something something APPRENTICESHIP.


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RE:seth machines

Posted by Solomon on 08/12/10


I just saw someone post some of Seth Ciferris machines up for sale. he put up two machines Seth built in 2001 and he put a price tag of 600 dollars on them. They sold in ONE HOUR. So i could go on about they are built for traditional tattoing, look at how a builder tattoos blah blah blah. Ten year old machines for 600 dollars, sold in ONE HOUR. That should tell you right there that those machines are just fine.


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Posted by rhendrickson on 08/13/10


Any one know what guage his shader springs are? I thought there were eighteen. Put them on a shader today and it ran 79 80 loaded and 100 unloaded which made me think they might be 16 or the front atleast.


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RE:seth machines

Posted by brian on 08/13/10


you can compare seth work with nick
seth get solid as a rock,nick go for blending work.
you make a tattoo with set you die and born again and the tattoo still there......................


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Posted by Solomon on 08/13/10


Ive never seen a normal Seth machine go out with 16gauge springs on it. I really really really doubt it. Ive owned a number of his machines, and its completely normal for all machines to lose somewhere around 20 cycles per second loaded. 20 gauge springs do to.


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Posted by hendricksontattoo on 08/14/10


they are 18s just surprised because the machine had 18s previously and ran a bit faster but the shape of the springs im sure played a role being that they are so narrow.


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Posted by Pro on 10/27/10


slow machines are good, long stroke and slow. Don't mind the assholes that hate telling you to apprentice. They are mad they had to pay to learn how to buy a machine tuned, none of them tune there own shit and cant so they have to buy them tuned. Im a artist now for years at a shop and its not rocket science . Use disposable tubes and all clean shit and be smart and your fine. Learn first and be clean but its not that hard at all. I seen doctors dealing with blood and they are not even as anal as most shop people. Its common sense how to be clean so learn that and learn the machine by getting a power supply with readouts. You can see what goes on and changes when you tweak something. Get eikons mags to read thats all you need , torrent the mags for free. They are just mad you can tattoo good ( if you can and are a good artist) and have not spent 10000 to sweep and learn how to buy a tuned machine. Well i remember when i was amazing at home with no apprenticeship and i was clean as them and my art was better then most shops by me so it pisses me off they talk shit and they have done the same and if they say no its all bullshit.


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Posted by shadow on 10/27/10


"They are just mad you can tattoo good (if you can and are a good artist)". Classic, man! You're so ready to blow this guy that you don't even care that he said he's been tattooing TWO MONTHS! Wow, shame on everyone for telling him to take his time and learn before destroying flesh and his reputation! What a bunch of haters!(extreme sarcasm)


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Posted by Pro on 10/28/10


Only 2 months is not good and i don't recommend it but I'm sure you have done the same or your just a bullshit artist;; Artists have made it without a apprenticeship and have there own shops now. Angelo Grisafi is one i think just to name. What do you want people to do that can draw better then most shops , stop and quit cause they are not related to a shop owner or know a shop artist , not rich and cant afford to be taught . And learn a little info and get machines tuned instead of learning the machine. I learned the machine but some don't. I say fuck that shit if its your dream don't quit and i seen work from non shop people and not all of them scar people or mess them up so you cant talk shit until you see his work. I think its sad how most shop people are scared to loose money to other artists. Home or in a shop . Makes it a sad business, an its sad your so quick to jump down his throat and talk shit when you have done the same thing when you started. You have not you say then your a bullshit artist


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RE:seth machines

Posted by stillbirth_machine on 10/29/10


Every machine builder builds/tunes their machines differently. And everyone use those machines differently and tattoos differently. I have several different machines and they all run differently, which is good as I perfer certain ones for certain styles of work and even sometimes for different skin types. I don't know, I think people are too busy looking at the numbers on their PSU than spending more time on doing quality tattoos.


Also, in regards to Seth's machines.... Direct from Seth's stie:

"my stuff isnt always going to work for everyone, but i try my best to make sure each machine is tuned to make sense for most tattooers, and perform as expected.

if it should ever fail to meet your demands, i suggest dropping me a line via email, instead of putting the machine in a drawer, or up for sale, so i can tend to your needs, and make sure youre happy with your purchase.

i want people to USE my stuff. not put it away, or sell it."


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RE:seth machines

Posted by shadow on 10/29/10


@Pro, it sounds to me like you are trying to defend the "right" for anyone who wants to tattoo because they feel like they're awesome to go ahead and do it. I've got nothing against fledgling tattoo artists learning this art form. But lets be realistic: no one "deserves" anything, especially when good artists that have been doing this a long time are hurting because of the over saturation of artists and an economy that's in the toilet. And if someone does want to get into this professionally, first of all I would tell them theyre nuts, and second, they had better be bringing some AMAZING shit to the table with their art. I would still be doing this even if every person on the planet owned a tattoo machine, I'm not "scared of losing money". That's the same old tired rant that every artist with a chip on their shoulder cause they've been at it a few years and can't get their foot in the door spews forth. It's always, "why won't shops give me a chance? cry cry cry". If you owned a shop and the employees you already had were starving and getting second (or third) jobs to take care of their families, would you be looking to "give someone a chance"? Put yourself in their shoes. You're right, I did do it the same way, and no one gave me anything. Not a chance, not equipment, not advice. I had to earn every tiny bit of it. So call me full of shit all you want, I know what I went through to get where I am. And think twice before you go defending the honor of every two bit yahoo (not directed at guy who started thread) who decides "hey, I don't want a real job, think I'll tattoo". It is a real job, and it's a ton of work, and that's no bullshit.


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RE:seth machines

Posted by lado on 10/29/10


Its even harder than a real "job". If you dont tattoo you dont eat. And now people look on every penny they spend.


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