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lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by tattooing is an art on 07/25/08


i have been tattooing for over 6 years now. i recently started more 9's and 7's for outlining. i used to only use 3's and 5's for outlining. the problem i am having is making adjustments to my machines to push bigger groupings of needles. i tune them and they feel like they are hitting really hard, but when i go to line, it feels like it takes a lot of effort to get a solid line in. i also have to turn the powers supply up pretty high to get the results i want, but then it seems like its damaging the skin more than it should. does anyone have any recommendations on what works for them as far as springs, speed, etc.



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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by LuckySeven on 07/25/08


In My Opinion i think someone thats been tattooing for 6years legit should know the answer to this question..How Ever i have lined with 7 and 9 and they work just like a 5 so it might be your machine is not tuned correctly or springs are not set up right.. My Advice to you is get an apprenticeship or ask your teacher to help you set it up correctly You could also Search it on here there's a lot about tuning and adjustments

hoped this helped

~LS~


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by tattooing is an art on 07/25/08


i know ways to make it work and tune the maching accordingly. i was just curious to hear other people techniques. if someone might know a better way. thats what this forum is for. if you don't have anything to say, then don't post anything, and don't insult me. what if someone wrote on here asking for tips on how to do color portraits. they may have been tattooing for 15 years and are an amazing tattoo artist, but have never done a portrait. that doesnt mean that they need to do an apprenticeship or that they should know that because of how long they have been tattooing.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by me on 07/26/08


you might have to slow your hand speed down for the larger liner groupings, in addition to messing with your machine tuning.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by rob p. on 07/26/08


i work with a very fast stroke to my lines and use primarily t5's, t7's and t9's. All of the configurations i use do not blow out and I run them very quickly. Be confident with your lines and just run 'em. I use just short of a dime air gap at 7-8 volts on a micky sharpz micro-dial. I have never had a problem with skipping or blow outs or anything like that. Don't think too much and set your liner to a nice steady buzz with the aforementioned and you should be alright. Your hand speed should match your machines "punch". Practice makes better.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by JESS on 07/26/08


the problem probly isnt the machine i have found that 7's and 9's are hard to outline with if they are grouped too tightly together. try loosening them up some,i think youll get better results. hope that helped


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by Tobias G. on 07/26/08


Hi,
I myself have not any issues lining with a 7 or 9 needle liner grouping using my stock M.S. M.D. set between a dime and credit cards gap thickness, but Ive just picked up some new liner groupings that are working out real well for me, you may want to give them a try. They are a tight, well soldered, long taper needle grouping. I was amazed by the results. Each grouping acts as if it was one size less than its rating. A 9 is like a 7 A 7 is like a 5, and a 5 is like a 3. They give real clean lines, very sharp pints, and put in pigment nice and tight. Im not a big fan of using fine line needles and needed something to get the results of a 3 but wanted a 5 to pull it off. These needles worked like a charm and gave very little resistance to the skin. I could then use a 5 Textured to thicken up particular areas that I wanted to stand out and build contrast in. I found that the differences between using different needle tapers and finishes in lining a tattoo are quite drastic when it comes to the type of line being produced. For instance, if Im lining with a textured needle grouping, I get a wider more positive line, but a much softer finishing edge and point than if I were to use a long taper grouping, unless Im using a loose number of the same liner grouping. There is also a different response to the penetration these have in the skin between the 2 different taper and finish types. I tend keep 4 different taper and or finish types per liner grouping because of these differences. It really depends on the style of Tattoo to which type I choose to use, but I find myself bumping up the voltage a half a volt or so when using the Tapered type needle while lining. If you are interested in checking out these tight long taper needles you can check out V & H sales Body Art & Tattoo Supplies 888  789  3077 AKA user name: tattoo.guy on ebay. Bang for the buck and surprisingly good quality.

On the flip side of what has already been stated such as spring types, tunings, and machine& Id probably be a bit concerned if your M.S. M.D. isnt pushing 7 and 9 needle liner groupings. After all we are talking about the staple liner of the industry. The machine itself may very well be the issue. Out of the 4 liners I have, my 2 sharps are always dependable, but recently I picked up a Glen Flew mini B.D. liner that I really like allot. It runs a little slower at 125 Hz, but after minimal tweaking this little sucker hits hard and leaves solid lines with any needle grouping Ive thrown in it. However, I would contribute the hard hit to the springs that he set this machine up with. These things are really thick. Im thinking it may be a 22 rear and 20 front if not even one step thicker. Toy around with the springs first. Also check your cap, maybe it may need to be replaced. Good Luck.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by Tobias G. on 07/26/08


Sory about the typo... , but I find myself bumping up the voltage a half a volt or so when using the TEXTURED type needleS while lining.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by steve on 07/26/08


i dont use nothing bigger than a 5 liner(0,35).
i try 7 but dont break the skin like should be...and my machine is very strong and slow

i like to ask if you nick use something bigger than a 5 liner?


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by me on 07/26/08


i use loose 7rounds to sculpt lines with. i use tight 5rounds to do my standard outlining with, and occasionally a tight 3. usually just for greylining or bloodlining though.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by scott76 on 07/27/08


For me when using bigger groups to line with crank it up and stretch the fuck out the skin or you will just bet bounce and not penetration i myself stick to 3s and 5s sometimes 7s the more needles the harder it gets to clean lines one pass, i tend to double up a lot like do a 3 then back it up with a 5 or double a 5 up for bolder line work thats just how i do it.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by steve on 07/27/08


hey nick im surprised that you use 7´s.
i cant get a good penetration with nothing bigger than 5 round.
even with a tight 5 round is dificult to penetrate in some fluffy skin(like stomach or inner bicep),and i use extra long taper.
with a 7 liner is to mutch bleeding and i cant make black,only dark grey


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by travelingtom on 07/27/08


i think you may be trying to move to fast. do you ride off the tube? i have two different liners, one for single pass lines, and one for sculpting. who are you getting your needles through? some companies are reel inconsistent. i can line with a shader if i go slow enough, and hurt the skin, works good for color lining. but i would like to start using liners that are not tight rounds, but not round shaders, if any body knows of such a place.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by travelingtom on 07/27/08


just for the record i meant to say "not hurt the skin". to early in the day for me i guess.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by Fallen King Irons - fkirons.com on 07/27/08


You are talking about lose liner needles.
Usually this configuration is referred as 3L 5L 7L and so on.
So if they don't state they are tight the are loose.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by davey on 07/27/08


Companies all seem to have a slightly different opinion on what is a "tight" ,"loose" or "natural" round. Alot if times, i would say that because of the way they enter, penatrate, and drag/trail in the skin, that i :
"draw " or "pull", or "run" my lines when useing tight 3's and 5's, sometimes even 8's. But i "paint", or "make" my lines with looser 5's and 8's. If i had to put it in a sentance for the interweb. Just me though, i wouldnt really tell anyone else how they "should" do anything.But, line work can be fickle...and having alternate angles to look at an obstical with, are always good. For me at least.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by travelingtom on 07/27/08


my needles say ex:7RL, 8RL meaning round liner. and i have been looking for a company that sells the loose ones, to no avail


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by aw8one@aol.com on 07/28/08


if im just pulling lines and not trying to build them up i use bugpin liners from needle jig, they seem to make decent lines with a single pass, also tcm fives are really tight and make single pass lining pretty easy. Mithra regular liners are kinda lose and work really well for line building fillling in small areas with color etc. But yeah a lot of companies version of a regular liners are kinda lose. TCMS are pretty tight.


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by Tdan on 07/28/08


Sorry for me English. I have a question. And what machine is good for color fillling small areas with round nedles? Is that liner or shader? I Usually work with small magnums but it occupies a lot of time. Thanks. You can see works on www.tdan.ru


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by aw8one on 07/28/08


hell man, seems like what ever your doing is working just fine nice work!!! if its not broke dont fix it


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RE:lining with 9's and 7's

Posted by dread on 07/31/08


does anyone fucking build needles anymore? if you want your needles losser or tighter just make some. damn. im lazy too, but i dont think some guy in china knows how i like my needles.
... just sayin'. besides buying shit from china is whats killing our economy.


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