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Rotary Machines Again

Posted by Jaco on 08/23/10


I'm sure I'll get strung up for bringing this up again.

I use coils exclusively and have for years, but a rotary machine came into my possession (another story for another time) and with all the hype I thought what the hell.

Yesterday I decided to experiment a bit and and threw a curved 9 mag on the standard rotary machine. (you know the silver one that every shitty supplier sells, kinda like the jail style)

We'll I was a bit surprised by the results, (after figuring how to place the elastic bands and grommet so the machine wouldn't eat them) It took me sometime to get used to it and I was a bit slower, but 4 hours later I didn't even realize I was using a rotary. (let alone a shitty cheap version, I don't want to sound arrogant but I believe I could tattoo with almost any pokey thing, not that I'm amazing, just that I have alot of experience) Obviously I had adjusted to the machine, but I really didn't mind it and it got me thinking, I really want to try out another higher quality machine. Right away I thought of the hyper, but don't really want an adjustable rotary, I could just stick with my adjustable coils.

So I did some research and narrowed it down to the machines listed below, if anyone has used them please let me know I'm going to buy one just not sure which yet.

1) Swashdrive - the negitive is you have to buy a lab power supply? Can you use other power supplies?

2) Neo-Tat - looks solid but I cannot find information from artists that actually use it, also only comes with a mono jack adaptor. I might like to try this if anyone knows more about it. The tattoos done with it on youtube suck.

3) Swiss Rotary - looks solid also, anyone use it? Looks like it could also work for me.

4) Neuma - air compressor or the attachment to hook up to your power supply, I'm not really interested in the investment.

5) Hawk - specialty needles, no thanks, in Canada those things cost $5 + a piece.

6) Rapier machine - again looks solid but cannot find anyone who uses it. Looks like it would work well but the tattoos done with it on youtube suck.

7) Hyper - it is adjustable, so why not stick to coils? Looks cool.

8) Dragonfly - again it is adjustable and looking at the list of replacement parts worries me, plus the name reminds me of a maxi pad.

If anyone can comment from their personal experiences on any of these machines it would be appreciated, also if you know of another quality rotary please let me know. Hell if you have one for sale also let me know.



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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by Solomon on 08/23/10


the only differance Im told between a piece of junk rotary and and and expensive one in my understanding is that the expensive one just lasts longer. So if you can do the same job but do it slower why wouldnt you stick to coils? Im not saying coils are the only way to go, but it seems the only thing you gain by your accounting switching to rotaries is negative speed?


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by Solomon on 08/23/10


the only differance Im told between a piece of junk rotary and and and expensive one in my understanding is that the expensive one just lasts longer. So if you can do the same job but do it slower why wouldnt you stick to coils? Im not saying coils are the only way to go, but it seems the only thing you gain by your accounting switching to rotaries is negative speed?


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by Jaco on 08/23/10


Well, your right in one aspect, yesterday I was a bit slower, but if I constantly use the rotary machine I think my speed will pick up, just want to try something new that's all and want some feed back from artists on their rotary experiences, I don't want to turn this post into another coils vs. rotary post.


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by Solomon on 08/23/10


naaw its not like that, Im lookin forward to building a nice rotary machine here in the next few months. It sure seems like something easy to build for not very much money.


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by Eriksenn on 08/23/10


At the SF expo I noticed about half the artists were using rotaries of one sort or another ... Neo-tats, cheyenne hawks and others. It does make me curious, especially seeing the smooth blends, but I am a coil-head and love everything about coil machines. I feel if you have the knowledge you can tune coils to run soft and smooth as you like, but i guess alot of artists do not want to learn their machines inside and out, or just do not have the time. I really don't think I will ever make the switch. Question for Nick: Do you ever supplement your arsenal with rotaries, and if so, why? BTW, you are not only a great artist, but a true ambassador of the art.


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by Scott76 on 08/24/10


I have the hyper v2 and love it it's works like a coil machine but better it does not bog down during a tattoo works great with any ink no matter how thick, it will run the same from the start of the day to the end, it's half the weight of most machines and almost silent, also you adjust the length of the throw and the amount of give like a springer, and it works just fine on my CX2, the only down side to these machines that I can find so far is you can't buy them for shit they are sold out and on backorder worldwide.


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by Peter on 08/24/10


Bottom line all machines do the same, propel the needle up and down. All the models and design do exactly the same. Some, better than others.
One thing you'll notice about rotaries is that they all claim that they are adjustable like a coil machine... If that's the fact, just stay with coils.

Just when the iPhone came out, all phones turn into the same from one day to another. "Dont, Don't, Don't Dont believe the Hypee!!!"


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by Gustav on 08/24/10


My son uses the neotat for shading and colouring but not for lining.
In Australia the neotat cost $340 which is about $310 US and there is so far - 12 months - no need for spares. A good machine, light and with less skin trauma than the coil. The problem is he finds it much slower than the coil machine and having so much work on is getting frustrated with the time lost in comparison.


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by SNAP on 08/24/10


I THINK IN THE END YOU WILL USE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU.I HAVE USED COIL MACHINES FOR 18 YEARS IN THE END I SWITCHED TO ROTARY MACHINE `S.I HAVE STIGMAS AND SWASHRIVE `S AND MORE RECENT DRAGON FLIES.THERE IS JUST SOMETHING ABOUT NOT HAVING TO KEEP TURNING AND MUCKING AROUND WITH A COIL MACHINE.ROTARIES THEY RUN THE SAME WITHOUT ANY DRAMA`S.KEEPING IN MIND THEY ARE THE LATEST CRAZE AT THIS POINT IN TIME,LIKE THE AIR DRIVEN MACHINE`S .I THINK WE FORGET THAT IT` THE ARTIST DOING THE TATTOO THAT MAKES OR BREAKS IT. JUST HELPS IF YOUR MACHINES ARE WHAT WORKS FOR YOU.I DON`T THINK WE SHOULD BE DROPPING COIL MACHINES OR WHATEVER TYPE MACHINE! BECAUSE SOME BIG NAME ARTIST`S ARE USEING AIR DRIVEN, COIL MACHINE OR ROTARIES.AND AS FAR AS PRICES FOR MACHINES GO I PERSONALLY WOULD SOONER PAY A DESENT AMOUNT FOR A TOP MACHINE THAN THE CHEAPER MACHINES.


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by brian on 08/24/10


if you know how to tune a coil machine nothing can compare with it,no one rotary can do what coils do,because rotarys dont have slap

the problem with rotarys is speed,is to mutch faster
if you like blending tattoo,like body painting , rotarys is the best,more consistent
i like rotarys for b&g,for color nothing can bit a good coil-
so anyone that tattoo more than a 100hz loaded and use coils is a waste of time,rotarys is best for this


NOW who sell good coil machines?
very few man very few


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by travelingtom on 08/24/10


ok brian, you made a whole sentence without spelling anything wrong, drop the bullshit act.

the only thing i dont like about the stigma, is it being 525 dollars. but i will get one eventually. i love my coil machines, but i get pretty tired of the maintenance every day. all i want to do is draw and tattoo, not fix shit.


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by brian on 08/24/10


i think like you,i try almost every rotarys in the market and i dont like it,to fast,no punch

i rebuil my own coils,i like punchy machines,thats why is so dificult for me found a good coil machine,almost every coil is for blending work(fast and smooth) like FK machines,pulse ,micky sharpzs.is good machines but for me dont work,im for old school technique
try seth machines,or soba


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by JohnnyChaos on 08/24/10


Rotary style machines I have:-

Neuma n2: I'm really unsure of this, it's way to soft for anything other than realism IMO and I hate that hight pitched dentist drill noise.. not nice! So it's going on ebay after one more try! lol

Stigma Hyper v1: (not as adjustable as the current v2) Well balanced, runs nice and smooth for shading, but I could colourpack better with my coils. Ended up selling it. Then regretted it and bought the bizarre.

Stigma Bizarre: Runs nice and smooth, shades nicely and packs in colour real well. Can be slowed right down for more of a pepper shade too. Can't get on with it for lining though. But would definitely get another. One bad thing is it broke down after about a year of light usage. Took 2 weeks to fix as it had to be sent back to Stigma.
They have sorted this issue in the newer models, but be wary of speed fluctuations in second hand models!! The old lube they shipped them with can damage the motors.

Stealth (all round version): Rip off of the Swiss rotary. packs in colour real nice. Consistent and light. Motor isn't as smooth as the high end machines, but for a cheap alternative it aint bad.
Can be softened up if you want by replacing the plastic washer with a grommet and widening the needle loop a touch.


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by Jaco on 08/24/10


JohnnyChaos thanks, that is more what I'm looking for an actual review or critique on what is out there.

In your review you mentioned the all around Stealth. I typically use a long stroke coil machine for shading but does it really make a difference with rotaries? Would the long stroke stealth machine actually be that noticable compaire to the all around?

I noticed the actual Swiss machine has a long stroke and Neo-Tat is offering 3 stroke lengths as well, but since you cannot adjust the hit, does the stroke length really matter? (if it is way too short I could see that being a problem)


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by shadow on 08/24/10


I used the Neuma for quite a few years (air compressor, never tried the adapter thing) and I gotta say, it worked great for a lot of things, like shading, coloring, highlights, things like that. As far as lining goes, it left a lot to be desired, so I started supplementing with coil liners and shading and coloring with the Neuma. Then picked up an FK Irons shader and now I'm done with rotaries for the time being. As far as a review goes, the Neuma is a great, reliable, extremely low maintenance machine. And as far as the high pitch whining, I don't know. It sounds like it was running way too fast. I run mine at like 10 psi or so and keep a couple drops of oil in it (pretty important) and it's more like a quiet humming. The main thing is, as I'm sure goes for a lot of rotaries, is you gotta keep your hand moving pretty quick or you'll tear the skin up fast. The catch 22 on that is that rotaries have a tendency to snag when you're moving too fast. I don't know, just my experience. In the end, it took using different machines to make me realize just how nice a good coil machine is to have. It is interesting how many artists are making the switch nowadays. Not sure if it's cause they really do work so well or just because there is so many new cool looking rotaries that have come out recently. I think that whatever gets you stoked on tattooing and keeps things fresh, like trying out different types of equipment, is a good thing. One more thing on the Neuma then I'll stop. I've never heard of one breaking, though it's probably possible, and personally went 7 years total without more than a few drops of oil and no problems.


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by brian on 08/24/10


what do you think about the hawk?


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by shadow on 08/24/10


I'm not telling what I think of the Hawk, Brian. So there. Neener neener neener.


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by travelingtom on 08/25/10


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by chris on 08/25/10


shut UP briiiaaan!!


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RE:Rotary Machines Again

Posted by brian on 08/25/10


i dont care what you think because your tattoos look like a scratcher,you dont tattoo nothing that i need to look 2 times.

i like to get opinions from people that cant go solid to understand what fails


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