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New Stigma - Rotary " FLY"

Posted by Artemis on 09/03/10


check out the new autoclavable rotary machine from Stigma
http://www.stigma-rotary-tattoo.com/cms/default.asp



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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by JohnnyChaos on 09/03/10


Nice to see the new site up dude. Your new machine looks very cool.


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Zapp on 09/03/10


@Artemis
Shit,i have to spend money again !!!!! Hahahhahahhaa.......
When its available ?


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Bryan on 09/03/10


That bitch is ugly as hell and bulkier than a coil machine.
The design idea is a rip off the Neuma Hybrid.
The V2 is way cooler.
Autoclavable? Like if you are going to sterilize the machine right after every tattoo.
Sorry this thing is ugly and too complicated. I don't see any benefits from any other rotary out there.


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by coreypopp on 09/03/10


I don't think the intention is to autoclave after every tattoo, thats rediculous, but having the option of doing it once a week or so is pretty cool. Knock of neuma hybrid version or not, its still a great idea to be able to run numerous set ups of rotary machines off one motor. May be cool, maybe not, but to say there are no benefits, I disagree.


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Artemis on 09/03/10


No one takes you serious Brian!


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Artemis on 09/03/10


Hi Johnny & Zapp I am glad you like the Fly , it is going to be available in Europe by the 20th of September and in the USA
by the end of September from Mike Devries probably and from
Eikon.


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Zapp on 09/03/10


@Artemis
I am looking forward to try it out !
It make sense to me !
One thing,the price for the machine(without motor) is in my opinion to high !


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Zapp on 09/03/10


@Artemis
I am looking forward to try it out !
It make sense to me !
One thing,the price for the machine(without motor) is in my opinion to high !


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Grindcore on 09/04/10


I agree, 325 EURO for the machine without the motor is way too high!


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by stillbirth_machine on 09/05/10


I'm thinking about getting the Hyper V2. Anyone in Australia going to be selling these?


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by TattooistArt.com on 09/05/10


sweet news!!!


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Gregg on 09/05/10


That is the point I was trying to make. The motor thing does more to benefit the manufacturer than the tattoo artist. You need to buy them separately. and for the same amount as the top piece you can buy a whole machine with motor included.

- First of all the motor is huge. I've seen better options for rotaries.

- You have to touch the motor while swapping machines (cc), or unless you decide to change glove which it may get really annoying, knowing that I jump from machine to machine way to often.

- what happen if I decided to go full full blown with this machine and one of the motors break?, you know you need to have a backup motor!, it's not like if can jump in to the next machine. More cash out the door.

- the stroke issue. I like to adjust stroke on the fly some times. With this machine you need to take the motor out and change the will that transfer the motion the the main module. It would have been cool to have a built in screw some how.

- The give adjustment requires also a tool, even on a coil machine you can just use your fingers.

- The shape is pretty odd an bulky, I think the V2 is a much more competitive product.

- 4.4oz for new rotary machine is heavier than most rotaries out there.

Not to be negative, but just pinpointing the features to try to understand if this machine makes sense at all.

But again, this machine will sell. Most people will jumping to it because of novelty or because it just looks cool. But if I don't see anything that i could benefit from this machine. If so, i think it makes the task even more complex.un pop and pop a motor every time I want to use a machine...you know that out of 10 attempts, 1 is going to end up with the motor on the floor.

A machine will too many bells and whistles is some times a machine prone to many problems.
The different between these funky rotaries and cheap on on ebay is just the price.
That's just my opinion.


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Artemis on 09/06/10


Hi Gregg,
I must to let you know that you can bag the motor-engine for the Fly separetely and then you can plug it from machine to machine, this works 100% you just have to make a small hole in the front site of the bag for the excenter to come out.
As for the stroke length you just put the excenter of your choise when you make the setup and then you can still change excenter in the middle of the tattoo if nesessary and after sterilize or
autoclave your staff.You know that in most of the other rotaries
this is not possible at all or it is difficult to change excenters for the stroke, on the Fly you can do that in just seconds.
The Fly is lighter and more ergonomic than most the other tattooing machines out there , also some extra weigth is good for the stability.
The give adjustment requires a tool but it comes with the machine it is autoclavable and you can use it for your grips as well , also because the adjusting screw for the give is inside the machine it is
protected.
As for the cheap machines from ebay i have to disagree with you the quality and the performance is totaly differend.
I don't want to advertise my product here in this forum I just want to pass some information about it just in case someone want's to know.


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Zapp on 09/06/10


@Artemis
What about the price for the machine only ?
You are not thinking its to high,its amost the price from a machine with motor !
And you need a few !!!!


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by gbush on 09/06/10


I have idea about the price - european countries have not been hit by the resession like this country , I watch BBC news everyday on my local pbs station , and according to these news reports- folks are still able to spend the same amount on consumer goods unlike this country , so while it seems expensive - Its something new . The hyper v2 is at a better price point and it has a motor , and really how important is an autoclavable machine when there is bags that are marketed for tattoo machines . So if the price bothers you or the motor- buy the HyperV2 - and complain about that machine going up in price .


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Gregg on 09/06/10


First off: I am not trying to bash the product simply participating of a debate.

I am just trying to figure out if it really make sense for me to transition from coils to rotaries.

Every time I think about it, I come with the conclusion that I have many reason to stick to coils.

- On a coil machine you put one bag and you are done.
- To change the stroke you twist the contact screw and you are done.
in this case I have to use a tool. Not big deal. though.
- The price is way to high for a machine with no motor.
- most machines are ready to rock from the getgo. The V2 is a way player IMO
- The "give" is just an emulation of the coil. So I think, I better stick to coils then why imitate it.
- Even with an autaclavable machine, unless you do it after every tattoo that feature is not a seller to me. I hardly imagine doing that at our shop with so much foot traffic.

This is not directed to you but lately it has been a fever for trying to re invent the wheel.

My point is that I think you guys made now simple tasks a bit complicated and on top of that with a high price tag.

Someone said earlier that Europe wasn't hit with recession...well I have family in Scotland and France and they are not having a great time neither.


my two coins.


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by bush R on 09/06/10


I was basing my recession comment on the GDP index , export/import and the BBC news reports I see , and I am stickin with fk coil machines , they are just wonderful- in the skin trauma debate .


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Artemis on 09/07/10


Hi guys this is Artemis from Stigma again

You know we produce the Stigmas in Europe the frame and all the parts are cnc machined and the prices for cnc machining in Europe isn't cheap.
We wish we could make them affordable for everyone this way we would
sell more machines but unfortunately this is not possible.
The biggest benefit on the Fly machine is not that you can autoclave it ,
the biggest benefit is that you can make it hit soft or hard or or anywhere
in between in just seconds this isn't possible on a coil machine,
also the low vibrations , we have been measuring the vibration on the grip on a Fly machine and the result was it vibrates 70% less than a coil
machine , I guess every tattoo artist knows how important the low vibration is on a tattoo machine.
Also the constancy every day the same , no tuning.
The "give" is not just an emulation of the coil, but now it is also possible on rotaries.


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by Gregg on 09/08/10


Artemis. To say that to hit soft in a coil machine is too complicated, is completely wrong unless your power supply doesn't have a knob to lower the voltage!
I respect your idea but to come here and advertise your product like something angelic is pretty lame.

A lot of great coil machines don't vibrate as much. Your V2 is a copy of the Australian Swash. The Fly, a stright rip off Neuma Hybrid (motor attachment)
If we are going to talk, lets do it clear.


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RE:New Stigma - Rotary

Posted by travelingtom on 09/08/10


i dont think its a direct rip off, but a better design. the swashdrive doesn't have the give screw, well it has give now but you have to change the clip. and im willing to bet it will run just as good or better than the swashdrive. however i do think that the price is way over bored, but take into consideration fk irons, there fucking pricey too. but people buy them up like crack. the bottom line is if you dont like them then dont buy them. i think i am going to switch to rotaries, but it will take some time to get the money, and i think im going to buy the generation 7swashdrive, just because it is a lot cheaper.


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