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Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by LittleJohn on 09/14/10


Has anyone given these "strong top" or "hammer" rotary's on ebay a try? I know that Joker tattoo supply sells them for about $100 and anothe site sells them for $200 each.

They are based off of the technology of the swash drive units, but I am just curious if they are worth spending the $25-$50 that they are going for...,to see how they run.

I am a coil man myself, I use National and Precision machines that I have had since the mid 90's. Looking to try a rotary type machine, and saw these for sale so I thought I would throw it out there and see if anyone is using em.

Thanks

LittleJohn



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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by LittleJohn on 09/15/10


These are the swash drive copy's, not the stealth type. Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks

LittleJohn


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by Lou on 09/15/10


I just ordered 2 of the chinese rotarty ones. I will def let you know how they run or if they are good or not.


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by sascha on 09/16/10


they are not worth a penny. i work with the original swashdrives since 2 years but also tried two of the chinese rip offs( i just couldn`t resist) one spreads the grommets all over the work station while running. and on both machines i killed the tube vice after two tattoos. also they don`t run like the swashdrives and look ugly. and they are heavy and unbalanced. spend the extra dollars and go with the originals .


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by LittleJohn on 09/16/10


Spreads the grommets all over the station? Can you explain that a little bit? I have been considering a swash drive, just haven't made the committment yet. I was wanting to give these lower cost alternatives a try before I spend several hundred on something I wasn't comfortable with.

I guess the question is are they comparable enough to the real deal to give me an idea of whether of not I would like them?

Thanks

LittleJohn


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by Zapp on 09/16/10


Thats the point !
When you buy original good machines or other equipment,you will save money and have fun to work with it !


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by Rolo on 09/16/10


The rip-off just does not compare to the swash drive, I got my gen 7 two weeks ago and can't put it down work is coming back healed and rock soid in 4 days, it's just brilliant although not tried to line with it yet.
I have tried the chinese version and it's total crap.


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by LittleJohn on 09/16/10


That kinda sux because I ordered one this morning just to give it a run. $18 total cost, so if is as bad as I hear, it wont be much of a loss...although I could have put that $18 towards the swash original unit.

I am a fan of the coils, I just hear the hype from time to time about the rotary's and got the urge to give it a shot.

LittleJohn


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by paulsxm on 09/16/10


keep that chinese junk in china!
do quality tattoos with quality tools!
(i wasn't going to say anything but i couldn't leave it)


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by Gustav on 09/17/10


Bought 5 years ago 2 rolls of kaptan tape out of China. Nothing since and would not even begin to think about buying a machine from there, not ever! Use at the moment FK and Cain and a Neo Tat machine and think that most rotaries are overpriced.


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by LittleJohn on 09/17/10


We are talking about $18 here....if you are a China hater...thats cool with me...as long as you live by it and NEVER buy anything made in China....like 99% of the shit at walmart....but you dont or have never shopped there...right?

At any rate, looking forward to seeing the difference between this thing and my coil shader . My National Mako...will always have a home for doing my lines.


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by LittleJohn on 09/17/10


We are talking about $18 here....if you are a China hater...thats cool with me...as long as you live by it and NEVER buy anything made in China....like 99% of the shit at walmart....but you dont or have never shopped there...right?

At any rate, looking forward to seeing the difference between this thing and my coil shader . My National Mako...will always have a home for doing my lines.


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by Jaco on 09/18/10


I've thought about ordering one of the machines your talking about from China but haven't yet. Please tell me how they run when you get them.

I'm very interested in the swashdrive machine but the price is alot and on top of that they say they only waranty the machine if used with a medical grade powersupply? So basically I'll have to invest a huge ammont of money to test something out.....(don't get me wrong I have no problem dropping money on my tools, I'll pay good money for a coil machine that is tried and tested, but it is difficult for me to drop $600 to test the original swash drive when I could test out a knock off for $20.)

Secondly I really wanted to try out the neo-tat rotary, it is priced ok and looks like it has potential. The main thing holding me back was that the machine was a mono-jack cord only. (I wanted to use it along side my coils, which are all traditional clip cord) So I just checked their site and they now offer a conversion kit so you can convert the neo-tat to a clip cord style machine. BUT......They want $65 for the conversion kit! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK ALREADY, these guys wonder why people are buying shit from China and other countries, it is because you are trying to fucking rob us!!!


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by Design Guy on 09/19/10


I have experience with both. The Chinese machine will be a good comparison to the original swash, in the basic function only! The original swash drives have gone through several versions since the Chinese copy. So it is better now than before.

Here's my review of the Chinese ver:
The machine is heavy probably around 5oz. Although I haven't weighed it to verify that. It does shred rubber nipples on the armature bar, due to the motion of the machine. Both machines don't run up and down "per-say" they run in a slight oval. The oval travel it makes while moving up and down grinds the rubber nipple against a metal part. So the metal wins by grinding a grove around the needle bar loop. Little pieces of rubber dust go everywhere! The same could be said for the original machine as well. However Swashdrive tells you to lubricate the needle bar loop to avoid this from happening, and it does to some extent. The Chinese version gets hot as well, it has the vent for the motor facing your hand (great job :P ) so all the heat goes right on to the top of your hand. The arm is connected to the bearing by a screw. This friction point is separated by black tape (the swash uses a bearing). After this screw wears through the tape, the threads start eating the plastic. The vibration is much worse on this machine than the original. You will notice the top of the hub that holds the bearing and action of the machine "sways" causing most of the unbalance and vibration (the swash is very stable with NO movement or sway). The distance on the tube vice is designed as bad as the rest of the machine, it sits so that the machine is almost impossible to keep off your hand, and away from the heat of the motor. The connection points often fail, however you can take those off and solder them properly.

So if you want to get an idea of how these rotaries work, it's not a bad investment. But don't plan on tattooing with it for more than a few weeks. You will be buying another machine. There are simply to many failure points to keep that from happening.


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by Design Guy on 09/19/10


I forgot to mention, due to the motion of the machine it breaks rubber bands constantly too.


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by shadow on 09/19/10


Thank you Design Guy. When are people going to learn? But it doesn't even matter that everyone told him not to buy one cuz he did it anyways. And it ain't about the 18 bucks. Who cares how cheap it is? You're giving these idiots incentive to keep putting out their crappy shit. If you really wanna give rotaries a fair shake, don't buy the cheapest, crappiest thing you can find. Of course you're gonna hate it. I think if your gonna be a cheap ass with the equipment you are tattooing people with then you should be charging 18 bucks for your tattoos as well. Everyone loves to bitch about how much GOOD machines cost, but how often do you need to buy a new machine? Hardly ever. A guy I've been working on for a few years just decided to buy one of these kits for $50, sparks flying of the contact screw and all. He brought it by my studio so I could try to tune it a little. There was nothing to be done short of taking a lathe to it and redesigning the whole thing. I told him flat out, I'd punch someone in the face if they tried to tattoo me with that piece of crap. It seriously took 12 volts just to move the needle up and down! My FK is like 4.5 volts. Needles to say, he did one crappy tattoo on himself and it blew up. Literally like 3 different things all broke at once. BUT, HE IS NOT A TATTOO ARTIST. We that deal with the public and present ourselves as professional artists should damn well know better. Is that fair to your clients to use some $18 hunk of crap? Good grief I don't understand people sometimes.


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by LittleJohn on 09/19/10


Dude, seriously....I really appreciate the information given by the guy a few posts up from yours. Your post...patronizing as it is, is laughable. I am sure you are a real breath of fresh air to your "customers"...as you tell them how great and wonderful you are because you run an FK machine....puhhhhleeeez! I have tried them all my friend...because I dont limit myself to the narrow minded "hater" mentality that you seem to think makes you a hot shot. I started with Joe Kaplan aluminum machines in the 90's and they layed down plenty of nice ink. Then I switched to Precision and National's and have been running them ever since. So...thanks to the folks for the useful, pertinent information. I will let you know how these machines work for me. It's not the machine....it's the person behind it, and if you knew anything about tattooing...you wouldn't have made the comments you did...but I totally understanmd, I have been in this business a while, and have seen plenty of your kind.

LittleJohn


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by LittleJohn on 09/19/10


And I ain't judgin......I'm just sayin,


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by shadow on 09/19/10


Gimme a break man. I don't think I'm a "hot shot" by any means. I have been doin this for 14 years but I knew before I even started that some cheap piece of crap was not what I wanted to use to create my art. Sell your cheap ass excuses for buying cheap ass shit somewhere else. Just sayin. By the way, you really drove home your point of integrity by even questioning whether or not to by some half assed Chinese knock off, let alone actually purchasing one. Let me know how that works out for ya.


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by LittleJohn on 09/19/10


Used it tonight for the first time. Works differently than a coil machine, no give...it hits very different than a coil.

Dude I aint tryin to start no shit, I have been using coils since I started. I asked for opinions of anyone who had used these knockoffs...you want to jump on and talk smack about me being a cheap ass....give me a break already. I am not saying I want to use these as my primary machines....I have those already, and they do a fine job for me. BUT!!!! I am not going to drop $400 bucks on a swash to find out whether I like it or not.

Truth be told...the machine does an alright job of getting the ink in there....but it is not built very sturdy. It was an $18 dollar lesson....I am man enough to admit that. I will stick to my Nationals and my Precision machines. They are my bread and butter, always have been....and looks like they are always gonna be.

LittleJohn


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RE:Chinese Rotary's on EBay

Posted by shadow on 09/19/10


I wasn't tryin to start shit with you. I see what you mean about tryin it out cheaply. Honestly I was mostly just frustrated with people I know who repeatedly keep buying junk and then I happened upon this post. Sorry for calling you cheap. My frustration was more directed at the people making those machines than at you.On a side note, if you do decide to go the rotary route, neumas work really well and are pretty much indestructible. I used them for 5 or 6 years but went back to coils. Still break em out once in while though.


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