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New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by DesignGuy on 09/11/10


I am a design/engineer as well as tattoo artist. I'm working on a designing a new tattoo machine. Let's just assume I know what I'm talking about and have the required experience in both fields to bring a machine to market.

Here's one of my tattoos: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j112/Halomfg/7c1254b3.jpg

Here's a Neuma Hybrid I made in the computer to compare size and weight. I also made 3 other machines for comparison:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j112/Halomfg/0956f330.jpg

Here is a censored image of my machine, I can't show it yet (it's not quite done).
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j112/Halomfg/995ec151.jpg

MY QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS...
What 5-10 things would you want in a "dream machine?"



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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by cbe: www.conorblueeyes.com on 09/11/10


easily adjustable.

low maintenance.

easily cleaned without corrosion.

wide power range.

no weird anodized colors.


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by why on 09/11/10


Dude, this is not a think tank. Your machine looks strikingly close to the stigma machines. Even though it's blurred out, it's gotta be either air powered or a rotary. In either case you might wanna check the patents on existing machines. But really, do you really wanna be the guy who puts ANOTHER rotary out on the market? I'm totally not trying to be a dick, I know how it is when an idea to do something is stuck in your head, but unless you already have some revolutionary new idea for a better machine, putting another one out when there's already soo many really makes no sense.


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by DesignGuy on 09/11/10


Although this "isn't a think tank"... it is a chance for tattoo artist to have a voice in a product.

The first response...was helpfuI, thank you.

My response to the next...Yawn...blink...blink
I'm not going to sit here and write a book about the entire process of producing something. Nor am I listing my qualifications. So further posts like that will just be ignored. I'm not trying to be a "dick" either. However machines are going to be built and released everyday. Instead of wasting time "educating" me. Why not have your voice heard, as part of the tattoo community.


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by DesignGuy on 09/11/10


Although this "isn't a think tank"... it is a chance for tattoo artist to have a voice in a product.

The first response...was helpfuI, thank you.

My response to the next...Yawn...blink...blink
I'm not going to sit here and write a book about the entire process of producing something. Nor am I listing my qualifications. So further posts like that will just be ignored. I'm not trying to be a "dick" either. However machines are going to be built and released everyday. Instead of wasting time "educating" me. Why not have your voice heard, as part of the tattoo community.


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by why on 09/11/10


Ok, man. How about somewhat light weight, a nice long stroke that hits nice and softly, good balance in my hand, smooth running and consistent. Just like my FK Iron.


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by greg on 09/11/10


medium wieght..slotted hole for front binding post..rolled springs..8-32 contact screw..either welded frames or 1 pc cnc..


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by Solomon on 09/11/10


do everything that everyone suggested and then sell your super awesome new machine for 250 bucks.. I think that rotaries could easily be sold for this much and still generate alot of income for those that build them. that is my suggestion, and Im dead serious


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by travelingtom on 09/12/10


i agree with solomon, people are getting retarded with the prices of their machines. im paying 500 dollars for something unless i can have sex with it too hahaha


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by Lou on 09/12/10


I agree with the pricing. I have 5 machines that I have tweeked to my liking and that took me 3 months to get them there. None of them are anything special and were very inexpensive. I am curious to see what my skills will be with a more expensive better built machine but do not want to gamble on a $400.00 machine and not like it. If the price is reasonable and it is a great machine it will fly off the shelves at $150.00 - $200.00

My 5 suggestions..

1. I have big hands so I like bulky...
2. No adjustments needed... Tired of tinkering.
3. Black Glossy Finish is cool or vintage metal look...
4. Runs perfect at 8.5 volts (I line and shade at 8.5)..
5. Vise lock on top and not on side of tube...

Good luck and I hope this helps ya. Email me if you get a prototype built and need a tester... :)


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by anthony on 09/12/10


if you could make it double as a microphone that would be sick too. i sing to customers alot.

but for real, like a few others said, make it affordable. more people will take a chance with it that way. i knowww "you get what you pay for" and whatever, but most people, even if they wont admit it, think alot of products are over priced.

if you had a quality product at a reasonable price you'd clean house.


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by Omar on 09/12/10


It amazes me how every one wants all the bells and whistles from a machine and pay nothing for it. How abut all the research and development and initial capital that the inventor invest to come up with a great machine. I am a graphic designer as well. Same situation with clients not wanting to pay for extensive work that results into an image like "a logo"

To want to pay $250 for a machine that has so many innovations and parts is like to walk in to Shiege's shops and want to get a full back piece for $250.

Unless you are a starving artist I think anyone can afford a fair amount of money for great tools.


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by anthony on 09/12/10


ask half the people on here how much money they've wasted on overpriced, excuse me, "innovative" products that wound up on ebay.

can you blame them for being apprehensive?


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by Jack on 09/12/10


guess im about to sound like a jerk, here goes

I dont have a problem admitting i absolutely will not pay 500 bucks for a tattoo machine. Particularly one made by robots and computers. Its a joke.

Here's why. I charge 100 bucks a hour just like the overwhelming majority of tattoo artists, and i split that with the shop. For me to make 500 bucks i have to spend 10 hours tattooing... That's 10 hours of blood sweat and tears, 10 hours of being held accountable for another persons health and safety as well as my own, 10 hours of moment to moment artistic liability....etc....

lets compair that skill and effort to assembling a machine...I personally can put together a machine in less then a hour, if everything is laid out in front of me nice and organized i can produce a PERFECT machine, as good as it gets ! in about 30 minutes, tuned any way you can imagine....how much do people who turn screws get paid per hour usually ? idk.

The skill set needed to tattoo far exceeds the very basic skills you need to bolt a machine together.

Ill be damned if im giving some dude 10 hours of my skilled work in exchange for the 20 mins it took them to call their CNC tech to run some parts for them, and the hour it takes them to screw together one of the most basic devices know to man.

There is just no comparison between tattoos and tattoo machine cost. And the upfront cost of paying someone to make your frames etc is eclipsed by your markup, so thats a moot point. Thats why traditionally CNC machines are around 225-300 bucks, Your paying double the builders cost plus 50-100 bucks to screw it together. Thats reasonable and thats the formula for setting price points in almost everything youve ever bought in your life...a machine is a machine, there is nothing intangeable about it, a cncd machine contains zero art and does not deserve a artistic markup nor does it deserve a markup because the builder knows his shit or is a cool guy or stands behind his product, that shits standard.

uh thats not directed at anyone in particular... but applys to anyone who thinks their mass produced CNCd machines are worth more then 300 bucks, tops.


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by ala1 on 09/12/10


I agree 100% with Omar.
Plus average artist would have to work maybe 3-6 hours only
do buy a $500 machine so WTF????

And I love this guy Lou"I have 5 machines that I have tweeked to my liking and that took me 3 months to get them there"

Yeah...I rather work extra 5h and buy a FK than play 3 months with some
piece of crap and I yes I have been there "breaking them in" one day fine next fucked.And how you find out?only turning a work,NICE.Do not
waste your time or money on chines or a cheap machines that are built by people who never have and never will have any input into tattoo world,they are the real overpriced thieves.

But I do think every artist should have knowledge of how machines work and how to tune them.
Buy machine-kit(Workhorse have some nice ones) or cheaper machine from a respected builder and try different set ups,springs and abars.Use it as extra machine while working if it´s not doing what you want
you can pick up your "proper"machine and fins the job with-out stressing out.

I still can´t belive there is so many tattoo artist out ther who are not willing to pay $500 for a good machine,speciali on a crazy times like we have now.
Everybody getting tattooed we have TV programs,magazines,fashion and million other things promoting our trade(No I don´t think it´s the best thing that has happened but...)

So if you´re out of work these days and can´t spend $400-500 on professional tools built by people who trying to improve things in your own trade
maybe you should find another profession.

Look at the general tattoos made only 7-8 years ago and tattoos that are done now.See the improvements???What do you think that tattoo artist could´t draw realistic stuff back then???Wrong!There was´t tools to allow them to do so.Needles,inks,machines,springs everything is evolved last 10 years and will do so if you stop supporting the thieves.


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by ala1 on 09/12/10


I agree 100% with Omar.
Plus average artist would have to work maybe 3-6 hours only
do buy a $500 machine so WTF????

And I love this guy Lou"I have 5 machines that I have tweeked to my liking and that took me 3 months to get them there"

Yeah...I rather work extra 5h and buy a FK than play 3 months with some
piece of crap and I yes I have been there "breaking them in" one day fine next fucked.And how you find out?only turning a work,NICE.Do not
waste your time or money on chines or a cheap machines that are built by people who never have and never will have any input into tattoo world,they are the real overpriced thieves.

But I do think every artist should have knowledge of how machines work and how to tune them.
Buy machine-kit(Workhorse have some nice ones) or cheaper machine from a respected builder and try different set ups,springs and abars.Use it as extra machine while working if it´s not doing what you want
you can pick up your "proper"machine and fins the job with-out stressing out.

I still can´t belive there is so many tattoo artist out ther who are not willing to pay $500 for a good machine,speciali on a crazy times like we have now.
Everybody getting tattooed we have TV programs,magazines,fashion and million other things promoting our trade(No I don´t think it´s the best thing that has happened but...)

So if you´re out of work these days and can´t spend $400-500 on professional tools built by people who trying to improve things in your own trade
maybe you should find another profession.

Look at the general tattoos made only 7-8 years ago and tattoos that are done now.See the improvements???What do you think that tattoo artist could´t draw realistic stuff back then???Wrong!There was´t tools to allow them to do so.Needles,inks,machines,springs everything is evolved last 10 years and will do so if you stop supporting the thieves.


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by Don't feed the animals on 09/12/10


Completely agree $300 tops for me too unless it's a true handbuilt one off and I know they really put some time into it just doesn't make much sence to pay for a name cause that's what this one or that ones using complete rubish in my book doesn't matter who's using it you aren't them and you don't tattoo like them and for stand behind their product if your making something and selling it to someone you should stand behind it just my oppion


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by Gustav on 09/12/10


I agree with the comments made. Just to bring another machine on the market with all the stuff that is already out there is just a waste of time. The problem is that economies of scale should bring the price down and it does not and that is because there is not enough volume for one machine builder, or they want to make big profits by taking advantage of the existing market, go up for a while and then plot along and eventually disappear altogether. If I compare tattoo components with electronic components, and there are some instances that you can, tattoo components are invariable much more expensive. In general, the tattoo community is not well served with reliable machines at a reasonable price and it is about time that somebody does something about it. I have been through it all by paying years ago, in my ignorance, $1,200 Aus dollars plus other costs like exchange rate cost, freight etc. for a high profile name machine and it was a complete dud. Moreover the high profile name ignored requests to fix it and it still bugs the shit out of me today, some 6 years later. Let the buyer beware they say but there is no reason why you should not be able to buy a good machine for reasonable money and go more expensive if you want to just like with cars, or washing machines, or anything else.


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by Don't feed the animals on 09/12/10


Capitalism is a ugly demon but if people are stupid enough to pay more then they get what they deserve but it goes back to capitalism that's why everyone and their brother is on the making machine tip cause at this moment in the industry that's where the money lies let's face it tattoo palors are poping up on every street corner why? Cause there's money to be made it's starting to remind me of hair salons can't go a city block without seeing 2 of em at least the good ones will stick around the shitty ones will move on to the next big thing


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by jacob on 09/12/10


The last 3 replies are very well said . nothing else to add


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RE:New Tattoo Machine Design

Posted by stop on 09/12/10


All the replies are great points with this said people thats us need to boycott so to speak these 510$ machines , the rotary that is selling like crack at the moment -start there , This fella that started this thread had some pictures of his product - and its probably the next rotary to hit the market , going to cost 750.00 . The price will get justified by one of the hundred excuses folks come up with and all the while a quality coil machine does everything I have needed it to except double as a microphone which is a fucking great idea ,


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