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The new rotary stigma "FLY"

Posted by Joan Zuniga Cuban Ink on 08/07/10


They email me pics of this new model from stigma that you can have diferent machines set up with diferent needlees and use the same motor for all the machines you can plug the motor on the machine look pretty cool, look like the byzarre at the front some one have it alredy I will like to know what people think about it?



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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by Ted on 08/07/10


I have to admit that this massive pseudo-innovation of rotary machines is starting to make me sick. It seems that the sole purpose in these machines is straight money oriented. I don't care how many shapes and color they come up with, still a fucking rotary that will never perform like a coil machine.

Most of the people that use these rotaries sooner or later end up going back to coil? Why because until now all rotaries have lots of flaws. Not that the coil machine is perfect but it does what it's supposed to, better than anything else.

I guess this is the way to keep people spending and spending for the sake of finding the perfect machine.

Most of these new artists spend more time researching for the heavenly machine rather than understanding why there is no need to change what's not broken.

I haven't tried a single rotary that I was happy with as I'm happy with my coils.
They all seem to claim at there is not tuning or maintenace required but that's exactly what makes this machines are missing and why will never be able to overcome the proof of time. If you think about it, take a look at how many versions of the same machine these people make at your own expense...and still, they can't get it right and every time a new generation come up they make you feel you need the latest one. It's gonna be just a matter of time until Apple starts making the iTattoomachine.

I rather spend the money on a great coil machine than putting my coins on a test machine.

A great coil machine is not necessarily cheaper that rotaries but I have more chances to nail it than with these novelty rigs.

Sorry if I sounded harsh, but I've been in the business long enough to digest all this iPod like machines, that is just my quota of contribution to this post.


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by brianb on 08/07/10


ita all about propaganda
cecil porter,mike devries is the face of stigma,boris from hawk,nick from fallen king

if this people dont use this machines,the sell´s go down in more than half


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by shadow on 08/08/10


Actually, not that it's a big deal, but Mike's been using Neuma for a long time now. I don't know if you confused the Stigma Hybrid with Neuma Hybrid or saw him trying out a stigma somewhere, but I just figured since names are being dropped it might as well be correct.


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by brian on 08/08/10


no shadow,im rigth mike use the stigma now
joshua give a machine to robert hernandez but robert puth the machine in the garbage
if robert use the machine joshua machines starting sell like crazy,im shure


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by Joshua Carlton on 08/08/10


What the fuck are you talking about!? Robert did not put the machine I gave him in the garbage. Why would you say such a thing?


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by shadow on 08/08/10


Also. if you wanna get into it, look at the last 2 issues of tattoo society. There's Mike, with a Neuma Hybrid. And I don't think he was just posing in either pic. Plus, if you knew the area I live in you'd understand. I live a couple minutes away from the guy who invented Neuma, (carson) and Mike learned to tattoo by a good friend of mine and Carson's. (Jim Hayek) who also uses Neuma. You should really check your info before you post it. Are you friends with robert? did you see him throw away Josh's machine? You could really damage someone's reputation by posting nonsense on here. That's frustrating to me, and I don't even know Josh (know you're work though, man, it's awesome and I've heard good things on your machines). I could see you seeing a guy using something once and thinking they always use it (Nicks used a neuma before, Guy has, Nikko has,etc.) but that doesn't mean they use them all the time, but straight up saying a guy threw a machine in the trash? That makes no freaking sense, man. No real artist would EVER do that! EVER! Like you can ever have too many machines. Sorry if I'm a little pissed, but that's fucked up to say. I still have a piece of crap machine 13 years old that I never use, but I wouldn't throw it away. I know you have no proof, but you're actually talking shit about Josh AND Robert in the same sentence, in case you didn't know. I'm gonna meditate now. i'm fucking pissed. And don't dare argue with me. I know some of these people you talk about, personally, and it's offensive.


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by shadow on 08/08/10


What I meant to say in the first place was that, during these "endorsements" some people can get lulled into thinking that's ALL someone uses. I've seen Mike's site, too, and the Stigma stuff, but I also have eyes and know what the Neuma looks like when I see someone using it. It's possible to use more than one machine(If you don't put them in the trash, that is)


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by Scott76 on 08/08/10


Mike is using the stigma hyper 2 and he is selling them check out his site and his forum i also spoke to him on facebook about them and he says they are great and really work well for him, in his words it turns a 7 hour tattoo into a 5 hour tattoo with the same results.


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by Scottg on 08/08/10


I agree who the hell throws away machines I have a couple machines I never use do I throw them away no maybe someone else will get great use of them one day maybe you could use parts off them but trash definitly not if anyones throwing away machines you could throw them my way I'm sure I could find a use for them ha ha


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by Yellowman on 08/08/10


Who throws tattoo machines away? I believe it was Brandon Bond that was quoted saying ".. if the shit breaks get a new one. stop trying to be a electrician and be a tattooist..." - Maybe Joe C. said it as well?


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by shadow on 08/08/10


You're right, you get a new one. But you still don't have to throw it away. Plus, we're not talking about a broken machine, but a new Joshua Carlton machine, and it supposedly being thrown in the trash by a world renowned artist. This whole situation illustrates my point perfectly, if someone says "Nick's using this, Mike uses that" there's a very good chance that by the time you hear about it, they've switched to somethin else. But to just lie and say people are throwing away perfectly good machines, is very hurtful. Emotionally and financially, and I can't even begin to wrap my head around why someone would do that, other than out of pure spite. And that sucks.


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by Gaston - FK Irons on 08/08/10


Wow, people are fabricating so much BS these days!
I'm starting to think that some in here get a kick out of senseless statements posted here.

If you buy a machine based on the sole fact that someone else's uses it then you have very little judgement skills.

I can't talk for others but I think that if you pay someone for them to use your machines you have nothing to do in this industry and should shove each machine, one by one up your ass. LOL not kidding though.


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by Madmosher666 on 08/09/10


It always seems to be you Brian! Don't post up bullshit that you've just come up with out of your tiny little mind. Spreading fantasy like that just isn't on and is totally disrespectful to Joshua. I think you should apologise.

It's been said before but i've yet to see you contribute anything positive to this forum.


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by Peter on 08/09/10


Damn those machine topics are getting so boring!! everyday a new machine that people want to know if it has that secret powere or touch that will make you tattoo like the GOG OF TATTOO.

I agree if you FK, for a machine maker to pay someone to use their machine is the end of the world, but not having a go at you just been honest, but giving artists machines so they can use or lets say "be sponsored" i the same kind of thing in my way of thing, but hey I am probably wrong. I do believe that having big names on the game do help any machine maker sell more. also not saying your machine isn't good as I do own 2 of your machines and love em. I just wanted to give my 2cents regarding to the paying for artists...

to the dude that said that Robert did through the machine on the rubish, you seems to know alot, do you know also where about was the rubbish that he did through the machine in ? I am up to go there get my hands dirty to find the machine...

yes mike does use Stigma Hyper....


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by Gaston - FK Irons on 08/09/10


To Peter:

Once thing is to pay artist to use your product because that's the only way you could get to them and another thing is to make good friends in this industry and comp your friends that happen to be great artist with your product, which is FKI case.

In the end the proof of time is the only thing that makes any machine builder succeed not the fact that someone famous uses them.

People can do whatever you want, I think it's just lame for a company to pay an artist to use a machine, but again people are free to do whatever suits them better.

These overnight machine fever is also subject to the proof of time and we'll see who's real and who is bullshit. Everyone has the right to take a stab at it at least.
Everyone has the right to succeed or fail. Time will tell, and I don't consider myself excempt neither.


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by brian on 08/09/10


youre rigth madmosher,my english betrait me sometimes
what i trie to say is that robert hernandez dont use joshua machines


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by piss n moan on 08/10/10


@yellowman: thats a copout for people that dont know about machines. saying dont be an electrician and being a tattooist. why do people think its not important to know about the tools they use. for example: lets say you think a (insert name mentioned here) is a POS tattoo machine. if you knew your tools you could make it run just fine. its your responsibility to know your tools, not but a new machine every time you cant figure out a loose contact screw or something. dont be lazy, and dont be retarded.


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by Mike DeVries on 08/15/10


I stumbled upon this topic, searching for a picture of the new Fly machine, and I figure I might as well clarify what I use and put in my two sense. I don't use Neuma anymore at all. I was using Coils there for a good while and my top 3 choices are Iko from France that makes killer machines, Fk Irons, and Arron Cain machines. But my babies are now the Stigmas! I don't think the rotary machines is just a fad and that one day artists will go back to coils. My honest opinion Stigma is the best machines I have used and trust me, the last 3 years I was in a tattoo machine frenzy,trying to figure out the best all around machine. Stigma is the winner in my book (for now!), and they don't pay me to say that! All my machines I have by Stigma I have paid for except they recently gave me a Stigma Bizarre, I have had other companies give me free stuff,but just because I get it for free doesn't mean Im gonna promote it or even use it more than once if I don't like it.
As far as the second post on this thread about being sick because of all the rotary machines coming out is just to make money. Thats Bullshit! I can't thank some of these guys enough for all there hard work they put into these machines, they put in a lot of time and money to make some of these machines, of course some of it is to make money, but there is developments in all industries, and these are for the better, I think I can tattoo better with a Stigma Rotary than any other machine, so to a certain extent, one machine could change the way your tattoos look, and Im a firm believer that it's not about the machine,its all about the operator of the machine, but someone that is a great tattoo artist could use anything and make a tattoo look good, but someone that is behind or trying, but struggling with there machine, they will notice a difference when using a good rotary such as a Stigma Hyper.
It's not just rotary machines that people are coming out with to make money, what about Coils, Ink, Tubes, Aftercare,DVDs,books, needles you name it,the list goes on and on. Theres nothing we could do about it, and theres nothing wrong with it. Some of these new things the industry could do without but some of them are for the better. The new things that are not good will fizzle away. But Rotaries will not because I see more and more people loving them everyday. These guys coming out with Ink,Machines,tubes,needles etc need to be picky on who they sell to and not get it in the hands of the wrong people, the guys that sell to anyone for any reason,is where making money on the industry should make you sick. Yeah I have DVDs and books but I try and keep it in the hands of tattoo artists or apprentices, I'm sure some fall thru the cracks just like everything else, but all we could do is try.

The main thing that makes me sick is seeing advertisements by former respected Online websites or magazines that choose that it is okay to put up an Ad that says Starter Kits,Be the Artist, make the cash, you click on it, and could get a starter kit for 80 bucks or 20 dollar tattoo machines. For one the supply companies that are doing this is just for money, and the guys running these ads are just going for money. But we need to somehow,not support these guys, I really don't want to mention names,but if you don't know what I'm talking about, you will...It's not that no one should learn how to tattoo but there are right ways to go about it, such as an apprenticeship, and not buy a 80 dollar kit and go fuck people up and possibly spread disease.
But for a reputable machine builder that is developing killer machines that does take pride in there work and doesn't sell to just anyone,(such as Stigma) should not be downgraded,they should be praised and I thank them for it.


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by brian on 08/15/10


stigma is a good machine if you like blending and photograph look tattoos.if you like solid colors the stigma dont work so well.
there is a topic about stigma in this forum,where markus lenhard talk about stigma hyper

all rotarys give you trouble when you try packing colors,is to fast ,the skin can get so much

i see you tattoo ,and your coils is almost without compression,you tattoo like a b&g but with color


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RE:The new rotary stigma

Posted by shadow on 08/15/10


Dude, Brian, are you seriously gonna come on here and argue with Mike DeVries? You never cease to amaze me, buddy (and not in a good way) So, what you're saying is, Mike's work is not solid? Are you fucking kidding? You clearly need some education on techniques. If someone can layer 5 or 6 (maybe more) colors on top or on the edges of each other in a way that looks airbrushed, the way Mike and Nikko both excel at, they can clearly put in solid fields of color! I mean, Goddamit, Mike comes on here himself and clears up all the bullshit, and you slam his work. Lets see, you slammed Nick Baxter in another post, now Mike DeVries. Who's next? Guy Aitchison? Filip Leu? Paul Booth? Common Brian, don't stop now. One thing I would like to know (I'm afraid to ask), who do you think is a good tattoo artist and what type of work are you looking to achieve in your own tattooing? If you're looking for a machine that puts in solid fields of a single color, a machine that blends multiple colors smoothly will easily achieve putting in a single color. This does not work both ways, however, as you could have a grinding beast of a machine put in solid work (if you know what you're doing) but may not blend or shade smoothly at all. I just don't get you, man. I think you might need to be on medication.


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