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petroleum

Posted by chris van r on 07/31/10


this may seem like an odd question to most... but i'd like to get away from using any petroleum based products for tattooing. i have used a blend of natural oils for the lubrication/anti-staining part of the process before, but am stuck for what to use to bandage with that would still be cost effective. it seems that the common pre-bandage products all contain petroleum bases [vas, a&d, etc] as well as a lot of the after care products.

does anyone know of something that would work? would a water based surgical lube[like K-Y] work or would it dry out too fast causing the bandage to stick? i suggest to clients that the bandage should stay on for a minimum of 6 hours up to overnight[i use a bandage not cling wrap].

so far, i have found a version of paw paw ointment that has no petroleum in it[using vegetable oils instead], that would work for bandaging and after care[when used sparingly].

my other issue is reactions...as i have had people allergic to a&d in the past. i don't think our waiver form has any question dealing with allergies, so that's something that would have to be amended.

i'm still in the beginning stages of my search, but any input or direction would be greatly appreciated...sorry this is kind of all over the place, i just want to give some background to get a more informed response.



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Posted by Greg on 07/31/10


If u do some searching of older topic threads you should find something,it wasn't to long ago people were talking about what alternatives to use for petroleum products due to it breaking down the barrier on latex gloves...I'm amazed on how many artists out there still use Latex gloves and Pertoleum..


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Posted by T on 07/31/10


ive been very tempted to use extra virgin olive oil...that stuff is so amazing for your skin ! It makes it glow and so much more translucient.. i have a friend that went crazy with the all natural sorta lifestyle and he wanted to use it for aftercare i told him oil is bad and if he wanted to try it he would have to do it at his own expense... as it turns out it works brilliantly for him, and me too now, im still hesitant to suggest it to clients tho.. it goes against everything ive always told people, but damn it works so fricking nicely.. i mean..to the point where it doesint even seem like the tattoo goes through a healing process if that makes any sence. Just a small amount of very fine skin pealing, like a minor sunburn. The color looks as fresh as the day i put it in, zero color fading. Normally i suggest just using lotion, aveeno to be exact.


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Posted by me on 08/01/10


coconut oil is a miracle all-purpose substance as far as im concerned. i eat it like crazy and use it for lots of other skin and hair needs. i have healed a tattoo with it, worked great. never have tattooed with it tho but i imagine it's ok.

if youre getting away from petroleum stuff for any environmental or sustainability concerns, coconut oil is not free of either of these, as the vast majority of it is imported from the philippines or other parts of asia. some of these countries have horrible oppressive gov't regimes, first world countries like the US exploit the fuck out of them whenever possible, and of course, shipping products across the entire world uses lots of fossil fuels.

all in all though, for now, i love the stuff too much to not use it on the daily, so i make that compromise.


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Posted by T on 08/01/10


Ill second the coconut oil as far as being a incredable thing to use for skin and hair, particularly hair. But both for sure..you could always test to see if evoo or coconut oil will work as a bandage lube in a safe way by wearing a bandage overnight on unbroken skin with a good amount of oil on it, if it still feels heavyly moisturized/greesy then it will most likely work, and i imagine you will find that it will. for a tattoo you could try putting a bit on the bandage as well as on the skin, your going to have to be careful tho otherwise the tape wont stick..petrolium mostly wipes off the skin and doesint saturate it as much as evoo or coco oil would. hell, ill try tomarrow and post the results. its something ive been leaning twards trying anyways.


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Posted by chris van r on 08/01/10


thanks for the quick responses. i did a search on the topics [before i posted] and came across the thread about vas/latex, but it wasn't quite what i was looking for. i have been using nitrile for a long time...but it is amazing to see how many artists still use latex. i was going more on the eco/sustainability/possible health risks end of things.

heres the page on the paw paw ointment...

http://www.organicsaustraliaonline.com.au/category422_1.htm

i'm in australia now, so all this is local for me. i'm not a vegetarian or vegan...but as i know, the glycerin is all you'd have to question about if that mattered. although it wasn't bandaged with it, i have tried paw paw once to heal one of those 'pain in the ass places to heal' and it worked quite well. a lot of my clients are using it now, i just have to get them to switch to the simmons brand.

i have tomorrow off and an old tattoo in need of a touch up, so i think i'll try out the coconut oil on myself...unless a trip to the local health food store changes my mind on the oil to try. i'll use it for during, bandaging and after care. let you know how it goes.


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Posted by chris van r on 08/01/10


...after re-thinking all the different products i've used to heal tattoos over the years and talking with another artist friend, i was reminded of 'tattoo goo'. i think it was what i'm looking for, but don't remember being too fond of it. maybe i have to try it again...i also came across this stuff called 'tattoo aftercare' that seemed to be based out of the uk[but with distributors worldwide] . both products come in small containers that would work for bandaging and healing...but might not be enough for during on larger sits. anyone use these?


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Posted by T on 08/01/10


my objection to tattoo goo for aftercare is that clients have a tendancy to put way too much on because it doesint spread so easy, also, your clients are constantly sticking their fingers in it depositing germs. Sounds bad in theory, but the ointment itself might be good, ive never tryed it tho.


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Posted by Mystic on 08/01/10


Hi Chris
I would say do not use Paw Paw based products to heal out a Tattoo, they contain a natural enzyme called Pepsin which can actually be used to remove a Tattoo! so that would be a big No. May work well on some skin problems though!


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Posted by Mystic on 08/01/10


Hi Chris
Sorry mate the enzyme is called "Papain" not "Pepsin" like I just said, (Pepsin is found in the stomach) but still the same problem! Only difference is the Papain stings like crazy in a Tattoo!


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Posted by zaxxon on 08/04/10


i use this stuff, love it. haven't had any complaints.

http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/castorlatum.html


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Posted by chris van r on 08/04/10


to T- i agree with the dirty fingers part of tattoo goo, but i found it hard to put on too much with it being a balm... but when it comes to general clients, i have seen people use too much galaxal base when i was using that too heal!

to Mystic- i have never personally or had anyone say that paw paw stung when the put it on, but i have been doing some reading on the papain enzyme. it seems like it may be a problem when using the extract alone, but when it's in a more natural[meaning not just an extract] fermented state would it still be a problem? i haven't noticed any drop outs or excessive touch-ups either with regular clients that know how to take care of a tattoo.

to zaxxon-that caster jelly seems like the ticket when it comes to use during the tattoo. thanks for the info

so, i am trying the coconut oil and it seems good. i used it for everything...but i don't think that it would work as well for the anti-staining part without having to be a lot more careful when wiping. it seemed to come right off a little too easily for that part[it was only a black tattoo i did so can't say for sure yet]. in the bandaging end of things, it wasn't too oily when i did take the bandage off and it didn't stick at all. i let the tattoo dry out a day and have been applying the oil once a day with good results so far. it's only a few days in now but no itching, swelling, or scabing to speak of. i'm keeping the oil in the fridge so it becomes a solid state, and chip off a bit to apply. as soon as it hits the skin, it becomes a liquid again. as with most natural stuff, a little goes a long way.


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Posted by Gabriel on 08/04/10


Does anyone else have any other thoughts on the extra virgin olive oil? ....sorry but isn´t nitrile broken down by petroleum after some time as well?


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Posted by zaxxon on 08/05/10


a guy where i work uses ev olive oil for his own aftercare. i've used it while tattooing, dipping from the bottom of a cut off cup. a client of mine uses ozonated olive oil for aftercare, it's supposed to be great for healing, but i don't know much about it or it's efficacy. i would like to experiment with it and see if there's anything to it. it's very expensive though, so it might not be practical. it's interesting though, it's is a paste that melts into oil when its applied, and has got distinct smell. anyone use this stuff for anything?

the castor jelly is not as slick as a&d or vaseline, i cut it with ev olive oil to get it a little more viscous. i've also added some tamanu oil, from the same site, for it's healing properties, but it is expensive. i don't have enough experience with the tamanu oil to know if there was any benefit in using it. i guess to really know, one would have to get a good amount of results from all different combinations and independent applications of the castor jelly, olive oil, and tamanu to know which is doing what. it would be nice to have what you're using while tattooing help in the healing process.


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