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powered vs organic pigment

Posted by brian on 02/13/10


i never use powered pigments,some tattoo monster´s tell that give more longevity to tattoo,less health risk,a more solid color



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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by cbe on 02/13/10


i agree with this. powder is louder, but harder to get used to.


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by Bill Waverly on 02/13/10


If you mean "organic" in the same way you mean organic produce then there is no such thing as "organic" pigment. The use of that word is strictly marketing on the part of suppliers who would like to make you believe their product is somehow safer.


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by brian on 02/13/10


its a pleasure see you here
can you talk about the diferences beetwen the powered inks like your´s and the other´s thay say organic in the bootle,like eternal,starbrigth?


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by Markus Lenhard on 02/19/10


He already did... marketing. Just like saying there is something like organic milk... as if there would be non organic milk... it's bullshit. Jumping on the organic bandwagon is a non-statement.

If you get tattooed by me i can use all the organic PETA pigment you want, i still gonna spend all the money you give me on steaks and weed...


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by Bill Waverly on 02/19/10


That's not to say that there aren't other differences. I was just addressing the so-called "organic" aspect....


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by brian on 02/20/10


bill,and whats the other diference´s?
about durability,health(like lip stick from eternal,they guarantee that is the only red that dont cause any allergic reaction)............some people talk that is very dificult get in the skin(but i think is more about technique)

thnaks


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by Bill Waverly on 02/20/10


Forget for one moment that I am a supplier of colors to the trade and ask yourself this one simple question- How could anyone possibly guarantee that NO ONE will have a reaction from one of their colors?


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by brian on 02/20/10


yes i agree with you,maybe is only publicity
can you please explain whats the diference in a powered pigment like yours and the other´s like eternal or itenze

i mean :if the others is not organic like the publicity said .........there pigments is powered too?

thank you for share information


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by me on 02/22/10


to my limited knowledge (someone please correct me) the difference youre asking about is between powdered and pre-dispersed, which means the larger flakes of powdered pigment have gone through and extra step. theyve been run through some kind of mechanical process by a machine, which breaks them down into smaller, more evenly shaped and sized particles, which are thus easier (or maybe just quicker) to distribute into the skin with needle tips.

also just to clarify, and i know some of you are speaking your second language on here, but:

"power" = strength, control, etc. ("i have power over you")

"powDer" = a finely ground, dry substance ("i will grind this rock into powder")

i know it was clear what was being talked about, but, just sayin, while i'm at it.


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by max on 02/22/10


Was thinkin powdered pigment was a way of preparing the pigment and pre-dispersion a way of doing the ink...........not sure (also not sure about my english) anyway ......the think I agree with is that you can.t be sure with allergic reaction, the other is that the type of ink you use will go in (or not) with the type of needle you use and the way of tattooing you have... I was also thinking that predispersion made ink easier to use.....I will be glad if somebody can really explain the difference in between those products...as we have some people in this bizness here , let them talk and argue, it.s not just about doing add and publicity, after all it.s just a forum ... and I think we can learn a lot in this sort of place...sorry Im talkin a lot for nothin ahahah
cheerssssss


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by brian on 02/22/10


nick do you ever use powered pigments?in case of eyes do you see more durability in these kind of pigments?


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by cbe on 02/24/10


in my experiences, the easy way, or faster way is never really the best way.

the differenced in healed tattoos using predispersed vs a powder pigment (ie waverly) are what sold me. i had to adjust a little bit to their thickness at first, but a bigger particle would seem to me to lend to a brighter tattoo. rich rich rich saturation.

when aaron cain mentioned he used powders, i knew it was gospel.
people tattooing long enough to have seen years of tattoos healed and the differences.

there is a reason people still talk about "that old spaulding orange".
i can see it in me, ten years later, what inks stayed and what did not.

do youself a favor and get some shit from bill. just buy the jap pink only, if you think i am shitting you.

ive said it once and i wil say it again, powder is louder!!!


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by FATSOS on 02/24/10


Powder is louder!! Like most of you, I've tried every "amazing new" ink that comes out on the market, and kept going back to my old stand by's. But since I tried Waverly, DAMN!! Love the way it mixes in the tip, love the way it goes in, and ESPECIALLY love the way it looks healed! And yes --- you NEED to experience their Jap Pink... HOLY CRAP!!

Hey -- can any of you ink people actually explain to me what, exactly, is "pre-dispersed" pigment?? How is it different? All pigment starts out as a dry powder, sooooo how does this work?


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by brian on 02/25/10


in this new world when almost everybody want smooth gradations in my opinion pre dispersed is best
like nick said he use eternal,intenze,so nicko hurtado,mike devries,joshua carlton alla prima is very thin inks


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by cbe on 02/25/10


i dont understand how that would make any smoother of a gradient thick or thin. without divulging any tech information, i can say its all about the application in that regard, and the longevity and healed result of the ink is what i am after, after being able to achieve the blends i am looking for.

in defense, aaron cain; powdered pigments; amazing blends
grime; waverly pigments; amazing work
seth ciferri: waverly; flawless

three entirely different artists, great work, great blends.
there is way too much diversity in this industry to make those claims.

i can speak for the longevity of (certain pre dispersed pigments) looking like dogshit. i mean actual dogs shit. stinking, fresh, glistening with mucus and flies buzzing.


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RE:powered vs organic pigment

Posted by jwood on 02/25/10


hey im a dermaglow guy is waverly as good as my dermaglow? just curious heard good things outside this forum.... i know kinda off topic


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