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THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Seven on 02/20/09


Well as I promised a while back ..After evaluating the models offered byhttp://www.stigma-rotary-tattoo.com I have chosen the Hyper as my new favorite machine...They are based out of Greece (Crete) run by two guys
Petra and Artemis. I Love this machine and I also Liked the Bizarre.
These 2 are the only Rotary machines on the planet with "softness" that i am aware of...and this has been a long, LONG venture for me...they are expensive as our dollar exchange to Euros sucks but ..we artists who like to collect machines that do the same shit over and over hoping they will offer something new to help us improve have only a few options in my experience

Fallen Kings which I haven't tried But I have Talked to Gaston about aluminum...Still waiting brother!
Aaron Cains, Seth and maybe a couple others SEEM to be the only real standout machines out there..and some of those are easily $600-$1000


Youwill be glad to know that I stand behind the Hyper .which is based i=on the swashdrive principle..super smooth almost silent!!!..I have 3 more on order totalling 4 so add that $$ up!...they are VERY light and easy to work with....I love it!
The only downside is some disposable tubes dont clamp real tight but I just cut a bit of a glove and wedge it in as I slide a tube in..Viola! ..I will be checking out the Neuma hybrid when It comes out ....So anyways I hope you guys check Stigma out and give em your support ..I do not work for them
but have such an interest in new technology that I have been testing machines for them and providing them feedback...and now I am ready to share my SECRET with you guys ...
Peace Love 7 myspace.com/sevenbeckham
http://www.stigma-rotary-tattoo.com/en/hyper.shtml



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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Seven on 02/20/09


PS. I am the first person in N America to use Stigma products ...so that should give you an idea how secret this is.....Im really exited for them...


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by brian on 02/20/09


seems cool
whats the diference you find related to swashdrive?


dont you ever try the hawk?is a rotary with a caushing system,some top artists use them .


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Leonardo on 02/20/09


I like the look of it, looks cool, would love to hear from those who use them.


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Seven on 02/20/09


Ah yes Brian ...my apologies..the hawk..I forgot about that although I did not know it had a softness setting...I have tried neither...But I don't like the expensive needles mandatory for the hawk because those who build their own needles like Nikko or those who like different needles for different things are limited...a useful tool no doubt though.....


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Seven on 02/22/09


Bez from the UK has a hyper...http://www.myspace.com/triplesixstudios
Hes fu##n awesome!...but he uses the NEUMA also ..so I wanted to see what thoughts he had about how they compare...but no reply ....


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Gaston @ FK Irons on 02/22/09


Coils or Dieeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
Although that Hyper looks dope :)


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Seven on 02/22/09


Ah yes Gaston YOURS are haha you just get me the first aluminum 1.5 you make!!! IM ready when you are!


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by brian on 02/23/09


hey seven
im gonna bye one of them
do you try the rotary or the semi-rotary?
do you see any diference?


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Seven on 02/23/09


Brian they are ALL rotary machines as mentioned I like the bizarre very much but I love the Hyper which is a swash drive ..but a motor spinning is what makes it a rotary
and these motors are the best in the world.


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by brian on 02/23/09


"STIGMA-ROTARY IS SPECIALIZED ON BUILDING ROTARY AND SEMI  ROTARY TATTOO MACHINES WITH
AND WITHOUT ADJUSTABLE SENSITIVITY ( GIVE )

IF YOU CHOOSE A STIGMA-ROTARY MACHINE WITH OUT ADJUSTABLE SENSITIVITY ( GIVE ) THEN YOU CAN STILL CREATE WONDERFUL TATTOOS. YOU CAN USE IT VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR ANY KIND OF WORK ( LINING  SHADING - COLORING BLENDING )

they say this about the hyper:-------SEMI ROTARY ( HYBRID ) TATTOO MACHINE WITH SWASH-PLATE TECHNOLOGY AND MOTOR PLACED VERTICALLY.  HYPER  HAS ADJUSTABLE SENSITIVITY ( GIVE ) WITH LESS WEIGHT IN THE BACK- THEREFORE MUCH BETTER BALANCE, ALMOST NOISELESS AND VIBRATION FREE BEATS EVERYTHING THE TECHNOLOGY BEHIND THIS MACHINE ENABLES TO COMPLETE ART WORK FASTER AND EASIER.


- have an adjustable give.how can we adjust the give?

thanks for the help


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Seven on 02/24/09


the nipple where your needle bar attaches can be screwed outwards which allows it to move..but it is hard to notice...the nipple id cone shaped at the bottom so as you screw it out it has more room to pivot.....but honestly I wouldnt put too much wieght on this feature...BUT the whole motor seems to be mounted on a bushing system which is where your main give comes from..its very linear and predictable..Im still wating for three more with a 5mm stroke which I think will be sweeter than the 4mm on the one im using...ill post the results...


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by brian on 02/24/09


but this adjustabily by the screw is olnly on bizarre model or in the hyper too?
this give by loose niple seems to me like if you dont use paper towel in your nipple and the needle got some looseness.
i never see but i think i dont like it

5mm stroke is great
we can chosse the stroke length when we by it?
or is a new machines?

thanks again
and the bez work is dopeóne of the best i see
i see the girl in blood in some magazine but dont tell who didi it
if this guy worh with this machines,im shure that the machine is good


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Seven on 02/24/09


If you email them from their web page they will answer your technical questions...but It comes with 4mm and they feel that is best but I love along stroke..Ill post what I think about it later..


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by brian on 02/24/09


if they come with 4mm,how you can get the 5mm?
i like to buy one of them to try but if i can get with 5mm,better...


im gonna receive the hawk next week.a friend that use the hawk told me that the great advantage is dont need rubber bands because the needles dont vibrate,so the heal is more easy with less scab.
he tolld me that the needle vibration in the coils is one of the greats factors that make bad times healing,with hawk he can heal in less 3 or 4 days


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by brian on 02/24/09


Bizarre", which is worldwide the only Rotary with 100% sensitivity-control ( give )




WITH MORE VOLTS ( MAXIMUM 15 VOLTS )

1. THE NEEDLE HITS FASTER,

2. THE NEDDLE IS TRAVELLING A LONGER DISTANCE UP AND DOWN,

3. MORE NEEDLE COMES OUT OF THE TIP AND THE NEEDLE GOES DEEPER INTO THE SKIN.

THE RESULT IS BRINGING MORE INK- PIGMENT INTO THE SKIN.



AND WITH LESS VOLTS ( MINIMUM 7 VOLTS )

1. THE NEEDLE HITS SLOWER,

2. THE NEEDLE IS TRAVELLING A SHORTER DISTANCE UP AND DOWN,

3. LESS NEEDLE COMES OUT OF THE TIP AND THE NEEDLE DOESNT GO THAT DEEP.

THE RESULTS IS BRINGING LESS INK  PIGMENT INTO THE SKIN.


this is strange to me,the use diferent deep´s is never a solution for me.


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Gaston - FK Irons on 02/25/09


Regarding Bez from UK, he purchased an FKI Zen and Exactor.
That probably means something :)
Coil or Die!


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Seven on 02/25/09


haha nice! you just get those aluminum machines in my hand!


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Bez on 03/02/09


Hi Seven sorry for the delay but its been a bit crazy around here lately..

(sent you a myspace message but thought i post a copy here too .. hope thats ok nick )

Yeah i really rate the stigma machines ... i love the bizarre it tattoo's more or less like a neuma the only thing i dont like about it is the weight .. which isnt too bad to be honest. and it is very adjustable


The hyper was a real surprise as my first impressions wasn't to favorable ... as i didnt think the adjustments to the give would work.... but after using it i was really surprised. its really smooth and the give actually works !! ( as long as u put a drop of silicon on the grommet ) its weight is good but not quite as throwable as the neuma.All in all it seems it very similar to the hawk but with a bit of give and not nearly as harsh.

The problem with the neuma is that there is a lot of baggage to go with it ... ( i.e compressors and such ) and isn't really suited to a traveling artist ( i hope to be traveling to the US this year and plan on doing a couple of guest spots ) and the stigma rotary's are a very good alternative to the neuma and i will be using them along side my new set of coils for all my future work

I have also just orderded to FK irons
( really looking forward to getting my hands on them )

Bez


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by brian on 03/02/09


hi bez its a honor get a artist like you in the forum,your work is amazing.
when you said this:"All in all it seems it very similar to the hawk but with a bit of give and not nearly as harsh"

you mean that the hawk got less give than the stigma?
is the hawk more harsh?


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RE:THE alternative to the NEUMA

Posted by Bez on 03/02/09


its my pleasure

I only had a very brief go of the hawk and it was very very light and almost silent .the system of interchangeable needles is very very well done..

But its has zero give and i felt ( too me as least) as if it was wanting do pull the needles into the skin... if i had a bit more time with the system i would no doubt adjust my hand movements to suit the machine.

They didn't seem to suit me but i have no doubt that they will be a valuable weapon in many an artists arsenal of tools


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