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Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by caseya69 on 09/20/08


Just curious if anybody knows what machines Bob Tyrell uses, haven't been able to find out, other than looking at some of the youtube vids, they look handmade, anybody know for sure?



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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by griff on 09/20/08


Ive seen him use eternal but he can tattoo with any old machine


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by Fallen King Irons - fkirons.com on 09/21/08


I've seen him use Next Gen Orion.


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by Shaun Bonanos on 09/21/08


At the Llandudno convention in Wales this year his luggage was held up / lost so he tattooed with some machines from the convention supply stalls, Aaron Cains' and he did a stand up job, like they said, I reckon he can pull it off with anything.


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by caseya69 on 09/21/08


I figured he could pull off a beautiful tattoo with a finish nailer, just curious if anybody knew what he used on the regular!


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by Itty on 09/23/08


In his seminar he said he likes iron machines the best. He said his favorite were his Mickey Sharpz and Aaron Cain machines. I took his seminar about 3 years ago so his taste may have changed with all the advancements in machines these days.


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by tattoomaster48 on 11/17/08


I'm no Bob Tyrell, and I could tattoo with a stick and a rock "IF NECCESARY" ....did it prison many times. Therefore if you have a machine that you just can't get to perform whatever you want it to do ........Shitcan the piece of crap and move on. I've owned ALL of the "so-called" top machines and found most of them to be as worthless as tits on a bore-hog. I'm currently using set of machines that I bought out of China for $3.00.yes three dollars a-piece. And find them to work just as good as my trusty old Mickey Sharpz machines. I"M NOT EVEN GONNA POINT OUT THE IRONY IN THAT. I also am currently using Nuemas. Anyone with any questions check out Tattoo48 on Inked Nation. or http://www.myspace.com/mikemoore48

MIKE MOORE
TWISTED INK TATTOOS
SCHOFIELD, WISCONSIN
715-298 1896


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by joep on 11/18/08


i agree with you to an extent. ive bought 80 dollar chinese machines that ran like crap. i rebuilt them and they ran better than my nicer machines all day. i had to change the coils and springs and make some changes to the frames geometry...but cheap steel and all they ran fine. i do believe you get what you pay for. cheap machines are cheap as fuck for a reason. sooner or later you are going to find out where they are cutting corners. -joep


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by brian on 11/18/08


hi tattoomaster 48
im thinking in change my coil machines to neuma too.
whats the diference you find in neumas....i know that is autoclavable and have less weigth,but is more punchy,or more smooth?.........................some people said taht a neuma is like a rotary


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by tattoomaster48 on 11/18/08


Go to my Inked Nation profile: (Tattoo48)... and read my blog about nuema machines: I've listed all of the pros and cons that I have personally found in using them, and have described them to the best of my ability and knowledge. Understand..... the more I use them, the more I like them, but I personally like the swashdrive rotary a lot better. Unfortunately, swashdrive rotaries are about $400.00 each and I was going through them at a rate of about one every six months, and that's an expensive habit. Definitely make an educated and informed decision before investing a lot of money in any system. I'm honored to be of any help to anyone in the business.
Thanks,
Mike Moore
Twisted Ink Tattoos


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by Seven on 11/19/08


just a note....Nikko and I discussed his use of Neumas....and like most good Tackers he can use anything, but he went back to coils (he said "my Aaaron Cain machine taught me how to tattoo")...he went on to say "I feel bad cause I know a bunch of guys have seen me use them ..I just dont want to be responsible for people buying them cause of that" this is paraphrased to my best recollection ...but it goes to show that he went back to coils, Nick uses coils, I use coils/...rotary's (for portraits and replication work) ....just a caution....Buy Neumas for the weight and sterility...not cause you think they are going make you tattoo like Mike Devries or Nathan Kostechko ...It is rumoured that your power bill will increase by up to 4x and that other artists will be pissed off because of the generator noise (yes the silent generators are still fairly loud) and they are a real pain to haul around ...but if have the $$$ then you have nothing to to lose.."knowing why is great but knowing why not is equally great" ...peace, love 7 ps Nick Rules!!!!


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by Seven on 11/19/08


ps in Nikko's new portrait DVD he is using a Neuma ..Im not sure when this was filmed but I talked to him in Sept 2008 ..but again a good tattooer understands the basic concept of how to make a tatto great ...with ant machine, good quality needles, good ink and the right set up (which I think is THE key to tattooing...but I suck so dont listen to me) ;o)


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by brian on 11/19/08


hi seven
can i ask you why you use rotary for portrait,and not coils?
i ear that nikko use rotary´s too


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by brian on 11/19/08


hi brian
after read your blog i dont understand if you love or hate the swashdrive?
yousaid in blog that the machine give you some troubles,but in this topic you said that you love them....

surprise that the neuma make less bleeding and less skin trauma...
maybe because of this are so many guys to make so good work with them like devries and others

thanks for the help


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by Seven on 11/19/08


Rotary's run very consistent at all slow to moderate speeds and quiet so I feel more relaxed and they are lighter so U can use more of a sketching motion without wrist fatigue


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by tattoomaster48 on 11/19/08


The reason I use Rotaries or nuemas for portrait work.........Let me begin by saying that rotaries are a whole nother breed of tattoo machine. They do not rely on spring tension or any of the other 1,500 variables that a coil machine relies on to run. All they need is electricity. When they hit... it's the same hit every stroke,. They don't bog down, they never get choppy or out of tune, every pucnture of the skin is extremely delliberate, and solid,, and every day when you get to work your machine is going to run the exact same way it did when you put it down the night before. UNLIKE COIL MACHINES, that are so f*ckin' tempermental, you never know how they're gonna' run when you pick them up. The only adjustment on a rotary is the speed at which you run it. This is actually a far superior design to any other design out there,, but,,rotaries are not very durable for a busy tattooist who may run them for up to 8 hours on one tattoo,, and they are very expensive. The gradients and tones that you get from a rotary can be achieved with a coil machine, or a "stick and a rock" as I've said before,,, they just come a lot easier from a rotary machine,,,I mean a lot easier. As far as Nuemas go, I'm still finding my perfect groove with them, and it's getting better everyday. Let me add "I DO NOT OUTLINE WITH A NUEMA" I have not found them to be powerful enough to outline with. Maybe it's just the one I got,,I don't know. Nuemas take me about 1 1/2 times as long to do what i use to do with a coil machine,, but trust me the end result is worth sacrificing the time for. Especially when my motto is "NO matter how slow you are going.......SLOW DOWN"..Bob Tyrell once told me "Mike if takes you three hours to do a portrait,,,take five hours and they'll look like mine". I'm not saying that my way of doing things is the best, but it damn sure works for me, and it shows in my work,,and when your using a tool that you ARE NOT struggling with,,, your work quality jumps by leaps and bounds.
Thanks to all who listen and respond,
I learn just as much from you guys.
Mike Moore
Twisted Ink Tattoos
Schofield, Wisconsin


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by tattoomaster48 on 11/19/08


Let me add to my last entry by saying......Not all rotaries are expensive,, but,, any rotary worth using IS. And there is an adjustment period,,you're not going to just pick one up start flying immediately. I think this is the reason most people put them back down and they sit in a drawer forever. Nuemas are the same,, there is a small adjustment period that have to get use-to them. If you are interested in using Nuemas, go their website. They have a bomb-ass forum where about 1,000 different people will answer any question you have, and give you tips and tricks that they have learned to make them easier to use. HOORAY, finally some commeradery in this industry. It's been well needed for way too long. But that is another topic for another day.
Thanks,
Mike Moore


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by brian on 11/19/08


mike you said that"I DO NOT OUTLINE WITH A NUEMA" I have not found them to be powerful enough to outline with"

you can run a mag with neumas and cant run a liner?
this means that you need more power to outline than to color ?


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by aw8one on 11/20/08


damn some people are sick with stick and rocks i hope to be that good one day untill then ill stick to my "good machines" that i cant seem to live with out.


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by tattoomaster48 on 11/20/08


Wow,
I thought every tattooist new that your liner needs to run stronger than your shader. You can actually hear a liner run, You CANNOT hear my shader running. And as far as the stick and rock goes for the other guy,,,,,, I'm fuckin proud of the work I did in prison, I guarantee that it still looks as good as anything you can do your "good Machines". At the end of the day this should be a forum for tattooists to share individual knowlegde, NOT be smartasses. From now on, anyone with questions,,, hit me up on Inked Nation,, my handle there is tattoo48. All it takes is one jerk and I'm out-a-here.
Seeeeeeeeeee Ya"
Mike


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RE:Bob Tyrell tattoo machines

Posted by Fallen King Irons on 11/20/08


I tired to stay away from this last posts but need to mention how I certain things work.
a) Rotaries and Neumas are totally different!.
Neumas don't have spring but the air do give them some cushion in every hit.
You can try that by running the machine and closing the range of motion of the nipple with your thumb and you'll see the machine acting like if it has spring. However it's nowhere comparable with the physics entail in a real tempered steal spring.

b) Rotaries work the same way an old steam train machine used to transfer power to the wheels. Attached by a solid arm where the rotary power translates into reciprocal, moving the needle in/out with the same amount of power. Skin does not offer resistance with this machines, which to me can be a problem for certain styles of tattooing.
This physic movement has not give at all. Even if you work at low voltage the needle wont stop. It is a lot easier to cause trauma with these machines.

c) Coil machines are adjustable, yes! and most times I find machine adjustments a great advantage as I have more liberty to work at my own pace and way and don't need to adjust the way I tattoo because the machine has only one fix setting.
Imagine a car with a fixed seat with no options to adjust. I'm sure you could drive the car but it may take you some adjustment from your part.

d) Liners not always run stronger than shaders. When I sculpt likes (90% of the time) I run my liner as a shader, with a long stroke and slower. Some other times I feel the need to crank the power. Same with Shaders, if I have to do some solid tribal work I may even pick up one of my liners and shove a 15 mag in it. SOme other times you want to work your greys really slow.

There is no one right way, there are a lot of ways that are right depending how you master the technique.

e) Prison tattoos can be cool. I've seen a bunch that amazed me. However I don't find anything amazing in the way they prepare the inks, the zero sterilization capabilities and how nice they wipe the skin of several inmates with the same shirt.


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