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eternal avacodo

Posted by rhendrickson on 05/15/09


any one like this color, i like the color it just seems to be a bitch putting in compared to a lot of other inks. It seems thicker inks go in better with long tapers which i have been using a lot lately and this stuff is so thin. Just wondering what any one else thought.



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Posted by 42 on 05/15/09


works fine for me


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Posted by Seven on 05/16/09


i very much agree!! Use a short taper needle and a slow punchy machine...the slower the better for this...treat it like white..or Lightning Yellow or Nuclear green....Its likely going in but its far too hard to see until all the redness is gone..so the chances are you will overwork the area if you keep trying to put more and more in..It looks nice once its healed..


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Posted by Madmosher666 on 05/16/09


I'll look out for this I've just ordered my first bottle of Avacado, Caramel and the new light shading grey. I love trying out new colours. I usually mix my own greens but this looks like a nice shade.


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Posted by davey on 05/16/09


Its certainly not the easiest color to get in, but its not too bad. I usually use medium taper weaved 9 mags, and its goes in fine with just a little extra attention. It seems to have healed well for the most part, but like mentioned above its hard to see and i think i hit a few spots more than i needed, so i'll call myself out and say any spots that didnt heal as well probably would have if i backed of a tad earlier.


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Posted by db on 05/19/09


I was taught a long time ago that all colors go in the same...with that's being said, the consistancy plays a role in this...but sometimes its just hard to tell when you get a little redness or blood comming through.


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Posted by Seven on 05/19/09


Not to contradict as a good consistent rhythm is invaluable! BUT..All colors absolutely do NOT go in the same...agreed with aslow machine this variable is lessened
...Thick inks will not go in efficiently with a fast machine, so often one must dip in the rinse cup/or thin by adding distilled water/Witch hazel..Mike Devries, and Nikko commonly do this
long taper needles will put thin pigment in much easier than thick pigment.(again we are talking application not what it looks like out of the bottle).Mike and Nikko use bugpin's and again often thin out the pigment so it flows into the tiny holes they are making..
they usually keep a pool of pigment under the target area rather than working "clean, or keeping the skin away from the tube tip
Peace 7
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Posted by steve on 05/19/09


mike said in his forum that use long taper needles
in my experience a long taper needle make more bleeding,because is less efecient in put pigment in the skin.
for me the great diference is if we want to put solid ink or make blending work.
i try even more make the less blending i can in my work.the colors look great after made,but after healing lost more that want i like.
i found that texture needles is very good if you like solid colors,one shot and thats it.
i try the bug pins ,and is very dificult put them in the skin,make a lot of resistance,its need a very powerfull machine

i think this guys use big mags like 15 for make the blending,and when he want solid he use a 7 or 9

i read aaron cain said that he cant work with nothing bigger than a 9 mag..............................and im shure he knows what he talk


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Posted by travelingtom on 05/19/09


steve what country are you from? anyway, the bigger the needle configuration the harder it is to get the needles in the skin, i try not to go over an 11 mag, but usually a 9. bugpins are harder to get ink in because the needles are so much smaller, but cause a lot less trauma to the skin, which lets you layer a little more. just my two cents


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Posted by Madmosher666 on 05/19/09


Bigger needles shouldn't be any harder to get in the skin if your machine is set up accordingly. If so nobody would use a 45 Mag because it would be nearly impossible to get in the skin. I regularly use a 13 and have found it just as easy to put ink in with that as a 7 or a 9. The machine should be doin the work for you. If you're using the same set up with a 45 as you are with a 7 then of course you're gonna have issues putting the ink in.


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Posted by aw8one on 05/19/09


i use bugpins and long taper for color with lots of success but every now and then i get a client or a part of the body where it just doesnt seem to be cutting it and ill swich to standared tapered needles. Also the ink that i feel doesnt go in as well with the long tapered needles is the thinner inks. i figure less pressure around the needle with long tapers so thicker inks can go in. Well shits confusing every one does things differently. i determined to have success with bugpins because i love how smooth every thing looks but i ussually set up standared and long tapers at the same time to use what works best for the body part person etc.


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Posted by Omar on 05/20/09


I have to agree with previous poster.
Bugpins or regular #12 have can both be good if the machine is setup correctly and/ or you are using them wisely for the right job.
For example for large solid areas regular 15 mag works better for me than a 13 bugpin or even 21.
Working with thicker needles let you pack solid at a faster pace.
Try to cover a solid large area with bugpins and you are prone to do more damage.

For smaller areas bugpins are awesome to me because they allow you to work details beter.
Again. everyone manages to achieve results in different ways.


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Posted by steve on 05/20/09


well
i try bug big many times without good results.the needles seems dont go in,the only place i use bug pins is in hands and foots,or knees
other skin and i cant put them in
some bug pins is not so thin as they seems,only just because the diameter needle is more thin dont mean that the shaft is more thin that a long taper or some standard
i have a lot of bugpins from a company in chine ,they sell a lot of tapers

like cam #8bugpin standard taper is like bullets


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Posted by steve on 05/20/09


its nice have the chance to hear nick about this post and curved mags post.
he said some months ago that use curved mags in all mags

hey nick
guve us a chance to hear you


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Posted by Markus on 05/20/09


Avocado is beautiful color and something i kept mixing myself but, it is way to watery for my taste. I so wish eternal would make their colors just a little bit thicker. the colors that are thicker go in so much easier and also mix easier with other tones. Nevertheless a nice color that gets a steady spot in my palette.


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Posted by Seven on 05/20/09


LOVE CAMS BUGPINS NOT A LONG TAPER WHICH TOTALLY MAKES THEM STILL ABLE TO PUSH INK IN....I WILL OFTEN DO A BLK N GREY PIECE WITH THESE USING ONLY STRAIGHT TALONS AND NO WASH AND SUPER SOFT MACHINE I DID THE BABY PORTRAIT THE 300 PIECE AND THE ANGEL DEMON SLEEVE THIS WAY
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I WAS USING WORLDWIDE FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS BUT MAN I JUST SWITCHED BACK TO CAMS AND I CAN GO WAY FASTER AGAIN WITH LESS MENTAL STRESS WHICH I WAS CARRYING AND DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE IT!
IM SOLD ON MED TO SHORT TAPERS FOR ME...BUT HEY IM STILL LEARNING AND TRYING NEW THINGS
YOU GUYS WILL LOVE THIS COMPANY ..NOT SURE HOW I LIKE THEM FOR BLK N GRY YET...
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YES TEXTURE CURVED BUGPINS!!...I ORDERED ABOUT 5 BOXES ..STILL HAVEN'T USED THEM ENOUGH TO HAVE AN OPINION...


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Posted by steve on 05/20/09


you love cam bug pins?wich of them?
the #8 or #10?
the #8 short taper is bullets

i take a look at your b&g work .you use only straigth black?
they dont heal to ligth?


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Posted by Seven on 05/21/09


yes #8 med taper..all black has some grain to it but it softens over time...Its all about hand speed and depth and machine softness


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Posted by steve on 05/21/09


this mean that you use less deep for b&g work?


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Posted by Seven on 05/21/09


well for this technique you use fairly shallow penetration..but enough to go in! but you need a slower machine and smooth hand motions and direction of the contour you are making slow circles also work I will use a bug 13 and a 7 for the whole portrait...its all about cross hatching too to even out the stroke directions...if you move your hand too fast you will get a peppery effect...


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Posted by Madmosher666 on 05/21/09


I totally respect your work mate Seven but surely with a slow machine you get a peppery effect anyway? That's why guys like Josh Carlton advise the liner fast grey shading machines. Like you said maybe it's the combination of your machine and your technique. But as we all say so often in these threads it's what works best for you. Good to hear other guys methods though.


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