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Next Generation Machine

Posted by TIMBER on 10/21/09


I just recieved an alluminum Orion shader from Next Generation, it is very well put together, runs well. However it hits alot harder than my current set up, the stroke is of medium length, 18 front spring and 20 back spring.

Is this a normal set up for their shader? It is fast and seems to hit pretty hard. I could easily use it as a liner, did they send me the wrong one or is that just how the machines are set up?

Thanks.



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RE:Next Generation Machine

Posted by markkidd on 10/22/09


I think that's a pretty standard set up for them. Does the capacitor look like a 22uf or 47uf? If it's a smaller cap it may be more of a liner set up. I'm assuming it is full coil too? Their 1/2 coils run faster for sure. What volts are you running? Mine seem to run just fine between 6-8v loaded. Maybe give it some time to adapt your hand speed etc.? Jared is super cool over there and is always awesome about fielding questons about his machines. I'd suggest if it's not quite dialed to your style of tattooing hit him up and see what he suggests for you. He's always done great by me. I own probably 7 of his machines. Keep in mind he does a lot of shows so sometimes he can be out of town. A super great guy with killer machines.


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RE:Next Generation Machine

Posted by TIMBER on 10/22/09


The machine runs great at around 7 volts loaded. I still haven't tried her out yet because it is so different than my usual set up. Like I said it seems to hit really hard compaired to what I'm used to.

I sent NG an e-mail earlier today, hopefully I'll get a response soon.

I don't want to sound negitive about the machine, it does seem to run very solid and is really well made, everyone tattoos differently and this is set up very differently than I'm used to.

It is a full coil machine with, a larger sized looking cap (shrink wrapped so not sure of the #'s)


Do their liners also have 18 front and 20 rear springs?
How many rubber bands are you using on a 9 or 13 mag?

Thanks again!


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RE:Next Generation Machine

Posted by jess on 10/22/09


there liners and shaders both come with 18 front and 20 rear. you should only need 2 rubber bands. and when you go to use it just start it out on low voltage and adjust it to suit your hand movements as you go.


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RE:Next Generation Machine

Posted by TIMBER on 10/22/09


Recieved an e-mail from NG, later that same day, they cleared a few things up, 1st class service, I cannot say enough about great they were to deal with.


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RE:Next Generation Machine

Posted by Trevor on 10/22/09


I ran next gen for a few years (Aluminum). They do run well when they are new but after some hardcore use the machines star to have all kinds of problems. Someone told me that is due to the fact that the frame is put together with screws and over time the frame starts to lose its geometry.

I am now running FK Irons and so far these are the best machines I have ever owned.
They run great out of the box and keep running that way all day long.


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RE:Next Generation Machine

Posted by rhendrickson on 10/22/09


why in the world dont they just make an improved one piece gear, come out with something new i would buy one in a heart beat just from a bizz stanpoint seems its smart to come up with something every few years


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RE:Next Generation Machine

Posted by Trevor on 10/22/09


Agreed. I am not a fan of moving parts neither, that's what it drove me to FK Irons because they are one solid piece without the bulkiness of screws.


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RE:Next Generation Machine

Posted by MarkKidd on 10/25/09


Funny you should say that because just today I slid my slotted frame upright back, narrowed and shortened my front spring and put a workhorse iron speed bar on my Next Gen to make a kick ass peppy little liner. Being able to adjust the geometry of the frame allowed me to dial the little F'er in just the way I wanted... now she lays lines like nobody's business. I still have a "stock" liner set up but, also have a custom set up just the way I want. Slotted frames shouldn't necessarily ruin a machine if you know how to dial their geometry should they losen. They provide a lot of versitility if you want to build it to suit a specific function. But, I certainly understand a good ol' solid one trick pony fixed frame.


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